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		<title>By: Virgo Horoscope for Sep 1, 2009 - Personality of Virgo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virgo Horoscope for Sep 1, 2009 - Personality of Virgo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Chavez temper pretension # 666: Hugo freezes Venezuela&#039;s family &#8230; [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Charly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Latest opinion pool, over 64% of those sampled think Chavez does a good job. They really deserve the big f*ck*ng they are having and in my opinion they deserve more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest opinion pool, over 64% of those sampled think Chavez does a good job. They really deserve the big f*ck*ng they are having and in my opinion they deserve more.</p>
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		<title>By: Kepler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kepler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firepig,
This does not have anything to do about the US, Europe or Madagascar.
You try to put yourself on a higher ethical level than all those illegal. 
Whatever]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firepig,<br />
This does not have anything to do about the US, Europe or Madagascar.<br />
You try to put yourself on a higher ethical level than all those illegal.<br />
Whatever</p>
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		<title>By: firepigette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firepigette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kepler

.....And I don&#039;t care for US haters.Every time you rewrite and interpret in this way.I will defend what is true.

Your choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kepler</p>
<p>&#8230;..And I don&#8217;t care for US haters.Every time you rewrite and interpret in this way.I will defend what is true.</p>
<p>Your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kepler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kepler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firepigette,
I don&#039;t expect you to understand why they were &quot;legal&quot;.
Zinn&#039;s book is not the only book out there. Believe me: there are wonderful libraries in the US and I am sure you will be able to find some good books on US history that don&#039;t portray things so nicely or so badly as extremes show.

I don&#039;t delve into migration here because we are actually talking about Venezuela and then you started with your &quot;aprovechadores&quot; in the US.
This goes beyond US or Europe, but you keep in your pathetic &quot;don&#039;t say anything evil about MY USA&quot;.

I don&#039;t care for your kind of patriotism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firepigette,<br />
I don&#8217;t expect you to understand why they were &#8220;legal&#8221;.<br />
Zinn&#8217;s book is not the only book out there. Believe me: there are wonderful libraries in the US and I am sure you will be able to find some good books on US history that don&#8217;t portray things so nicely or so badly as extremes show.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t delve into migration here because we are actually talking about Venezuela and then you started with your &#8220;aprovechadores&#8221; in the US.<br />
This goes beyond US or Europe, but you keep in your pathetic &#8220;don&#8217;t say anything evil about MY USA&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care for your kind of patriotism.</p>
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		<title>By: firepigette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firepigette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kepler, Glad you admit that migration &#039;is a mess  there&#039;, but typical of you to state this without any comment at all while at the same time going on eternally criticizing the States.

Whereas you value the writings of Zinn,and what you can get from afar, I value not only the many books that have been written when history was being recorded( not the rewritten kind like Howard Zinns) but also the history I have made and lived as well.While Zinn was acting as adviser for SNCC, I was an activist in the same org.

Most of our ancestors were legal immigrants, not illegal, but I don&#039;t  expect you to understand the difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kepler, Glad you admit that migration &#8216;is a mess  there&#8217;, but typical of you to state this without any comment at all while at the same time going on eternally criticizing the States.</p>
<p>Whereas you value the writings of Zinn,and what you can get from afar, I value not only the many books that have been written when history was being recorded( not the rewritten kind like Howard Zinns) but also the history I have made and lived as well.While Zinn was acting as adviser for SNCC, I was an activist in the same org.</p>
<p>Most of our ancestors were legal immigrants, not illegal, but I don&#8217;t  expect you to understand the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Kepler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kepler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firepigette,

I really don&#039;t know where you study history of the United States of America, probably some leaflet when you were 10 to 15.

In the XIX century German organizations in the US carried out campaigns to protect the many German women who became prostitutes when arriving in the US in search for a better future. The same surely happened with women from all over Europe. The same story you here now about foreigners used for dumping salaries you would have heard since the very start of the US as an independent country.
There are whole libraries written about the conflicts with Italian, Irish, German immigrants. It is not &quot;lefty stuff&quot;, it is basic history.

Of course a country needs to control immigration and there are lots of measures that need to be taken.
but when you call those immigrants &quot;aprovechadores&quot; it is not you are the bright un-PC cheeky lady, you simply are myopic and ignore most of your ancestors were as &quot;aprovechadores&quot; as the Mexicans now there.

Try to go to the public library of your town or village and get two or three books on history of the US.

As for migration here: it is a mess, I know it very well.

Again: your ancestors were not an atom less aprovechadores than the Latinos crossing the border now between Mexico and the US 
(and I agree illegal immigration needs to be curved)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firepigette,</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know where you study history of the United States of America, probably some leaflet when you were 10 to 15.</p>
<p>In the XIX century German organizations in the US carried out campaigns to protect the many German women who became prostitutes when arriving in the US in search for a better future. The same surely happened with women from all over Europe. The same story you here now about foreigners used for dumping salaries you would have heard since the very start of the US as an independent country.<br />
There are whole libraries written about the conflicts with Italian, Irish, German immigrants. It is not &#8220;lefty stuff&#8221;, it is basic history.</p>
<p>Of course a country needs to control immigration and there are lots of measures that need to be taken.<br />
but when you call those immigrants &#8220;aprovechadores&#8221; it is not you are the bright un-PC cheeky lady, you simply are myopic and ignore most of your ancestors were as &#8220;aprovechadores&#8221; as the Mexicans now there.</p>
<p>Try to go to the public library of your town or village and get two or three books on history of the US.</p>
<p>As for migration here: it is a mess, I know it very well.</p>
<p>Again: your ancestors were not an atom less aprovechadores than the Latinos crossing the border now between Mexico and the US<br />
(and I agree illegal immigration needs to be curved)</p>
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		<title>By: firepigette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[firepigette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kepler.

&#039;aprovechadores&#039; is not a word Americans use in general.It is a word I use because I am not PC.

It is obvious to those apolitical folks like myself that when you do not have legality and receive untold benefits and are treated with kid gloves BY receiving scholarships  ,free medical care, jobs, food stamps, etc etc.( when ordinary citizens have a harder time receiving these benefits AND when there is no   easy possibility of tracing you down even if you commit a crime( because your name, and age are false and because you can jump the border and come back a new person anytime you feel like it:

 then you are aprovechando the good will of somebody.

and,

Do not get me started on the &quot; guest&quot; attitude of the Western Europeans, except for MAYBE the British..
I must have 100 stories of German and Swiss &quot; hospitality&quot; that would mind boggle your average citizen here.What hospitality do the Danes have?

Must admit though, I know nothing of your country.More than likely it is paragon of perfection.


The idea that the US needs these people is fomented by greedy big business, and PC stupid leftists.( created by both Republicans and Democrats who are on the seedy side)

They are taking away jobs from needy citizens.I know many young people here looking for factory work,and cannot find it, but factories are jammed with illegals.No country can be inundated by illegals like this and survive for too long.

One good news I am hearing lately however is that there is starting a mini-trend for US businesses to leave China and Mexico and come back to give jobs to our citizens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kepler.</p>
<p>&#8216;aprovechadores&#8217; is not a word Americans use in general.It is a word I use because I am not PC.</p>
<p>It is obvious to those apolitical folks like myself that when you do not have legality and receive untold benefits and are treated with kid gloves BY receiving scholarships  ,free medical care, jobs, food stamps, etc etc.( when ordinary citizens have a harder time receiving these benefits AND when there is no   easy possibility of tracing you down even if you commit a crime( because your name, and age are false and because you can jump the border and come back a new person anytime you feel like it:</p>
<p> then you are aprovechando the good will of somebody.</p>
<p>and,</p>
<p>Do not get me started on the &#8221; guest&#8221; attitude of the Western Europeans, except for MAYBE the British..<br />
I must have 100 stories of German and Swiss &#8221; hospitality&#8221; that would mind boggle your average citizen here.What hospitality do the Danes have?</p>
<p>Must admit though, I know nothing of your country.More than likely it is paragon of perfection.</p>
<p>The idea that the US needs these people is fomented by greedy big business, and PC stupid leftists.( created by both Republicans and Democrats who are on the seedy side)</p>
<p>They are taking away jobs from needy citizens.I know many young people here looking for factory work,and cannot find it, but factories are jammed with illegals.No country can be inundated by illegals like this and survive for too long.</p>
<p>One good news I am hearing lately however is that there is starting a mini-trend for US businesses to leave China and Mexico and come back to give jobs to our citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Kepler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kepler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin, 
I agree immigration is still a mess in Europe. Which doesn&#039;t make me think all illegal immigrants are &#039;aprovechadores&#039;. Until very recently most Europeans saw immigrants as &quot;Gastarbeiter&quot;, guests who would leave once they were not needed. Very silly indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
I agree immigration is still a mess in Europe. Which doesn&#8217;t make me think all illegal immigrants are &#8216;aprovechadores&#8217;. Until very recently most Europeans saw immigrants as &#8220;Gastarbeiter&#8221;, guests who would leave once they were not needed. Very silly indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There isn&#039;t even an argument about which society - the US or Europe - is more advanced in dealing with legal and illegal immigration- the US is far, far ahead. It has been doing it since its founding; Europe only for 50 years or so. It&#039;s Europe I worry for most, especially countries that don&#039;t even have the spine to defend their own interests abroad, and let others (guess who?) do their fighting for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t even an argument about which society &#8211; the US or Europe &#8211; is more advanced in dealing with legal and illegal immigration- the US is far, far ahead. It has been doing it since its founding; Europe only for 50 years or so. It&#8217;s Europe I worry for most, especially countries that don&#8217;t even have the spine to defend their own interests abroad, and let others (guess who?) do their fighting for them.</p>
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