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	<title>Comments on: Venezuela&#8217;s Electricity and Water supply: Not a pretty picture</title>
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	<description>Observations focused on the problems of an underdeveloped country, Venezuela, with some serendipity about the world (orchids, techs, science, investments, politics) at large. A famous Venezuelan, Juan Pablo Perez Alfonzo, referred to oil as the devil&#039;s excrement. For countries, easy wealth appears indeed to be the sure path to failure. Venezuela might be a clear example of that.</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Archibald</title>
		<link>http://devilsexcrement.com/2009/11/01/venezuelas-electricity-and-water-supply-not-a-pretty-picture/#comment-15817</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Archibald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello there,

So it seems the problems here are mostly to due with underinvestment and unnecessarily decentralized corporate structure.

It is possible to keep electricity rates low without under investing, Hydro Quebec being a good example of this practice. The low rates help keep smelters in and keep the population less frustrated. All the while the company pays 2 billion dollars in dividends to the government and even over-invests to keep jobs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Qu%C3%A9bec)

To rectify the problem in Venezuela, I might suggest  first restructuring the nationalized electricity producers and distributors, as well as improving regulatory measures and corporate governance, borrowing perhaps from this: http://videolectures.net/socius_kallevig_ogsoecn/

Thus it is of my opinion that there is little need for privatization, particularly given electricity distribution&#039;s tendency to natural monopoly, as well as electricity production&#039;s high barriers to entry. Add to that the fact that a nationalized electricity producer can be a powerful tool for economic policy.

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there,</p>
<p>So it seems the problems here are mostly to due with underinvestment and unnecessarily decentralized corporate structure.</p>
<p>It is possible to keep electricity rates low without under investing, Hydro Quebec being a good example of this practice. The low rates help keep smelters in and keep the population less frustrated. All the while the company pays 2 billion dollars in dividends to the government and even over-invests to keep jobs. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Qu%C3%A9bec" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Qu%C3%A9bec</a>)</p>
<p>To rectify the problem in Venezuela, I might suggest  first restructuring the nationalized electricity producers and distributors, as well as improving regulatory measures and corporate governance, borrowing perhaps from this: <a href="http://videolectures.net/socius_kallevig_ogsoecn/" rel="nofollow">http://videolectures.net/socius_kallevig_ogsoecn/</a></p>
<p>Thus it is of my opinion that there is little need for privatization, particularly given electricity distribution&#8217;s tendency to natural monopoly, as well as electricity production&#8217;s high barriers to entry. Add to that the fact that a nationalized electricity producer can be a powerful tool for economic policy.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: m_astera</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[m_astera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE sea salt-

A comment from someone who writes soil mineral prescriptions for a living:

Peter, I do recommend sea salt in some soil fertility Rx&#039;s, but only if the soil needs sodium.  Sea salt also has many essential trace minerals, and NaCl is a strong electrolyte, so it will enhance soil conductivity, which is good IF the soil needs more conductivity.  And if the soil is sodium deficient.

However:

Much of Venezuela&#039;s agricultural land is already oversaturated with salt, enough that it seriously limits crop production. 

Maximum desirable salt application for most soils is around 400 kilos/hectare, or 40 grams per square meter, well mixed into the top 15cm of soil.  Not enough to reflect much sunlight, or attract much water.

May I suggest that you do a little more research and experimentation before making such wide-ranging recommendations?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE sea salt-</p>
<p>A comment from someone who writes soil mineral prescriptions for a living:</p>
<p>Peter, I do recommend sea salt in some soil fertility Rx&#8217;s, but only if the soil needs sodium.  Sea salt also has many essential trace minerals, and NaCl is a strong electrolyte, so it will enhance soil conductivity, which is good IF the soil needs more conductivity.  And if the soil is sodium deficient.</p>
<p>However:</p>
<p>Much of Venezuela&#8217;s agricultural land is already oversaturated with salt, enough that it seriously limits crop production. </p>
<p>Maximum desirable salt application for most soils is around 400 kilos/hectare, or 40 grams per square meter, well mixed into the top 15cm of soil.  Not enough to reflect much sunlight, or attract much water.</p>
<p>May I suggest that you do a little more research and experimentation before making such wide-ranging recommendations?</p>
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		<title>By: peter gokey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter gokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Whom It May Concern:
 
This will fix all of your water problems.  By putting unrefined sea salt from the ocean on the ground,  you will never have a shortage of water again and your plants will grow better.  Nothing will ever dry out again
 
Unrefined sea salts from the Atlantic ocean,  dried in the sun put upon the ground will reflect the sunlight back to the sun and will put chloride in your ground that’s phenomenal for any plants in our planet.  It kills all diseases. 
 
When the salt conducts the sun during the day,  it puts energy inside the salt. When you put water on top of it,  or mix it with water,  it creates energy.  Then during the night time,  the moon will pull the salt back to the surface with the water.  
 
Every morning you will have fresh water,  and fresh unrefined sea salts.  Your plants will grow better than they ever have,  you will never need fertilizer again.  
 
You will not have problems with freezes any more.  


When the salt is conducting energy from the sun,  the sodium in the salt will convert from a +1 to a -1 during the day and at night,  it will return to a +1 so the moon will conduct it.
 
Please give this to anyone who can use it.  I do this for my family,  the world.
 
Peter Gokey
208-699-5164
Pgokey1@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Whom It May Concern:</p>
<p>This will fix all of your water problems.  By putting unrefined sea salt from the ocean on the ground,  you will never have a shortage of water again and your plants will grow better.  Nothing will ever dry out again</p>
<p>Unrefined sea salts from the Atlantic ocean,  dried in the sun put upon the ground will reflect the sunlight back to the sun and will put chloride in your ground that’s phenomenal for any plants in our planet.  It kills all diseases. </p>
<p>When the salt conducts the sun during the day,  it puts energy inside the salt. When you put water on top of it,  or mix it with water,  it creates energy.  Then during the night time,  the moon will pull the salt back to the surface with the water.  </p>
<p>Every morning you will have fresh water,  and fresh unrefined sea salts.  Your plants will grow better than they ever have,  you will never need fertilizer again.  </p>
<p>You will not have problems with freezes any more.  </p>
<p>When the salt is conducting energy from the sun,  the sodium in the salt will convert from a +1 to a -1 during the day and at night,  it will return to a +1 so the moon will conduct it.</p>
<p>Please give this to anyone who can use it.  I do this for my family,  the world.</p>
<p>Peter Gokey<br />
208-699-5164<br />
<a href="mailto:Pgokey1@gmail.com">Pgokey1@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roberto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about making the biggest deadbeat customer of all, the government, pay for it&#039;s electricity?

How about eliminating the spider web of illegal electrical thieves, and making them pay, even if it&#039;s Bs.F 10 / month?

How about fixing the constant mains breaks in the water distribution system? Some go unrepaired for months at a time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about making the biggest deadbeat customer of all, the government, pay for it&#8217;s electricity?</p>
<p>How about eliminating the spider web of illegal electrical thieves, and making them pay, even if it&#8217;s Bs.F 10 / month?</p>
<p>How about fixing the constant mains breaks in the water distribution system? Some go unrepaired for months at a time</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Octavio</title>
		<link>http://devilsexcrement.com/2009/11/01/venezuelas-electricity-and-water-supply-not-a-pretty-picture/#comment-3089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel Octavio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1) Put a brick in every toilet tank like they did in California in the 70&#039;s
2) Spend some money in fixing pipe distribution systems.
3) Charge for water usage.

And yes, it is amazing that more people have not mentioned the time change. I told someone that and they even argues that it made no difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Put a brick in every toilet tank like they did in California in the 70&#8242;s<br />
2) Spend some money in fixing pipe distribution systems.<br />
3) Charge for water usage.</p>
<p>And yes, it is amazing that more people have not mentioned the time change. I told someone that and they even argues that it made no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: moses</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miguel:

There are some simple meaures which could help the water / electricty rationing: 

1 As suggested by a professor from USB (Aller ?) go back tp previous local hour (-4:00 gmt)  intead of current (-4:30 GMT), many places in Venezuela ar already darl arounf 5:45  pm so people start switching lights, etc. earlier.

2 - In Caracas suggest (or eventually enforce) owners of buildings to shut down water pumping systems from 11:00 pm to 5:00 am. You would not believe how many buildings use inefficient water pump + bypass systems were the water pump is essentially on for 24 hours and excess water flow isrecirculated to water tank ...

Like this ther  may be simple measures that could help pospone for  some time eventual collapse of water / electricity ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel:</p>
<p>There are some simple meaures which could help the water / electricty rationing: </p>
<p>1 As suggested by a professor from USB (Aller ?) go back tp previous local hour (-4:00 gmt)  intead of current (-4:30 GMT), many places in Venezuela ar already darl arounf 5:45  pm so people start switching lights, etc. earlier.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; In Caracas suggest (or eventually enforce) owners of buildings to shut down water pumping systems from 11:00 pm to 5:00 am. You would not believe how many buildings use inefficient water pump + bypass systems were the water pump is essentially on for 24 hours and excess water flow isrecirculated to water tank &#8230;</p>
<p>Like this ther  may be simple measures that could help pospone for  some time eventual collapse of water / electricity &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; To the bathroom with a flashlight in Caracas: 15 Minutes on Latin America</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fausta&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; To the bathroom with a flashlight in Caracas: 15 Minutes on Latin America]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] reading: Water Rationing Begins in Caracas, Other Major Venezuelan Cities Venezuela’s Electricity and Water supply: Not a pretty picture Chavez busy solving the electricty problem Chávez sugiere que, para ir al baño de noche, se use [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reading: Water Rationing Begins in Caracas, Other Major Venezuelan Cities Venezuela’s Electricity and Water supply: Not a pretty picture Chavez busy solving the electricty problem Chávez sugiere que, para ir al baño de noche, se use [...]</p>
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		<title>By: moctavio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moctavio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I lived in Los Teques from 1978 until 1998. We had lots of water problems which went away around 1982.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Los Teques from 1978 until 1998. We had lots of water problems which went away around 1982.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roberto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Water has been a problem, always. At least as far back as I can remember, there always were problems. In fact I remember a Carnaval, must have been like &#039;73 or &#039;74 where instead of water balloons, people filled ballons with paint and other unmentionables instead. Rocks too, believe it or not, were used as well.

Electricity was always a problem outside Caracas. In fact, if you saw a Cadafe sign, you were well advised not to move there.

What is truly criminal, is that Hugo y su combo have done jack-diddly-squat about these problems. No outgoing administration to blame, no lack of resources, just plain &quot;Chapuceria de primer nivel&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water has been a problem, always. At least as far back as I can remember, there always were problems. In fact I remember a Carnaval, must have been like &#8217;73 or &#8217;74 where instead of water balloons, people filled ballons with paint and other unmentionables instead. Rocks too, believe it or not, were used as well.</p>
<p>Electricity was always a problem outside Caracas. In fact, if you saw a Cadafe sign, you were well advised not to move there.</p>
<p>What is truly criminal, is that Hugo y su combo have done jack-diddly-squat about these problems. No outgoing administration to blame, no lack of resources, just plain &#8220;Chapuceria de primer nivel&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ErneX</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErneX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Water problems were always present at least during my 24 years of existence in Venezuela, condos had tanks but eventually everyone started putting an extra tank inside the flat and a pumping system because some years the huge condo tank drained and you had to start using your own.

The electricity problems, those didn&#039;t existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Water problems were always present at least during my 24 years of existence in Venezuela, condos had tanks but eventually everyone started putting an extra tank inside the flat and a pumping system because some years the huge condo tank drained and you had to start using your own.</p>
<p>The electricity problems, those didn&#8217;t existed.</p>
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