Chavez Applies His Destructive Expertise to Agriculture, With Banks As a Side Benefit

January 30, 2012

Daniel wrote an excellent post on why Hugo was simply speaking for the gallery yesterday when he threatened to nationalize banks if they do not comply with the required credit quota for agricultural loans. The punchline is the most important part, Chavez is simply lying, private banks are indeed complying with the quotas, it is the public banks that actually fail to do so, but, of course Chavez does not even suggest he may sell his banks to the private sector.

But it is even worse, Chavez plans to make it obligatory for banks to transfer their agricultural credit portfolio to a fund managed by the Government. Read: credits given out with depositors money will be moved so that they are “controlled” and “managed” by the revolutionary Government, who has shown little ability to control and manage anything. But think about it, if the Government does not ever return the money, the amount “owed” is comparable to all of the banks capital, about US$ 9 billion. You get the picture, no?

What Chavez is actually doing with his lying, is just passing the buck, trying to blame the private sector for the failure of his thirteen years of trying to change Venezuela’s agriculture through idiotic policies. And as if to prove it, Hugo Chavez in the same episode of his variety program Alo Presidente, happened to remove his Minister for Agriculture, reportedly for medical reasons. Even if we give Chavez the benefit of the doubt, we suspect he was mad at Minister Loyo for one reason or another. Chavez’ solution to the problem is even worse: He named his Vice-President Elias Jaua as temporary Minister of Agriculture, as if he did not have anything to do.

This is incredibly stupid, when Chavez already announced a week ago that Jaua will leave the Cabinet in June, to run for Governor of Miranda. When agricultural policy is in such disarray, you want someone that knows his stuff and will be able to be around for quite a while and shape it up. But Jaua will not be. That is simply bad management.

Which raises another question: Why can’t Chavez let the Vice-Minister take the position? Why can’t Chavez even come up with a single name to replace Loyo? Is the revolution so short of “qualified” people?

And we suspect the answer is : Yes it is. The revolution lacks experts who are not fully loyal, rojo rojito inside out, that Chavez can trust. That is why the Cabinet has become such a revolving door of the same incompetent personalities, asked to solve all of the problems. Jaua is after all, a sociologist, who became Ambassador, who became Minister of Agriculture and then Vice-President. And he has not held that many positions so far.

But Chavez moves on using his best Terminator style, trampling over everything and lying to “the people” he claims to love, but cheats at every step. Ready to nationalize the banking system to satisfy his predatory insecurities, no matter what the cost and inefficiencies and using the people’s money.

Hugo is simply clueless, but so far, he is the President, the terminator President, who destroys everything in his path, just because…

Agriculture is just one of his areas of destructive expertise.

64 Responses to “Chavez Applies His Destructive Expertise to Agriculture, With Banks As a Side Benefit”

  1. Bruni Says:

    Could this be an excuse to remove Jaua from the VP and name someone else? After all, remember your own words on paying attention on VP changes.

  2. moctavio Says:

    Yeah, but he gave Jaua both so far…weird

  3. CharlesC Says:

    Congratulations, Devil. Beautiful writing. (This year is looking great. Blog of the year!!)
    It was so sickening Chavez talking as if the State owned every cow and every piece of land.
    Damaging agriculture the way Chavez has done is creating much higher risk for a country. When a country is not able to feed itself, then you are in a very unsustainable situation.
    And, borrowed money will never finance an economic recovery -esp.when the money borrowed must be paid back plus higher and higher interest rates.

  4. CharlesC Says:

    Quote from Maria Corina Machado today:
    “Esto, Presidente, es una irresponsabilidad que genera incertidumbre. Eso genera más violencia e incertidumbre. La banca requiere controles, pero una cosa es eso y otra muy distinta es cogerse a la banca. Chávez no tiene claro que el dinero no es de los banqueros, sino de los depositantes, por lo tanto a quien más daño le hace es a los venezolanos”, indicó

  5. Carlos A M Says:

    Check the Sudeban numbers from their report of Dec 2011, and you will find that Mercantil has given more agriculture loans and Banesco more micro loans than Banco de Venezuela, both as a percentage of the total loan portfolio, and as a percentage of total assets. Moreover, Banesco, Provincial, and Mercantil have lower average loans than Venezuela.

    So what is arguing Chavez, he is going to do by taking over these banks that he has been unable to do with Banco de Venezuela?

    And don’t bother to look at the numbers of banco Bicentenario…..almost no agriculture or micro loans….

  6. Charly Says:

    “When agricultural policy is in such disarray, you want someone that knows his stuff and will be able to be around for quite a while and shape it up”.

    Agree and that should start at the top since it is not only agricultural policy that is in disarray but policy in general, but will his Nibs be around for quite a while? Not that he knows his stuff mind you.


  7. Miguel,

    thanks for the compliment…

  8. GeronL Says:

    Did Chavez think Zimbabwe was something he was supposed to emulate?

    • CharlesC Says:

      Yes. And, Alo Presidente is just a big, “show my arse” show for
      Chavez. Photo ops -for example #378 – this last one- flying over large
      farms,fincas and seeing large fields and large numbers of cows and Chavez taliking as if he owns all of the expanse below and everything in it…
      And, reminding everyone how he and his minions and the Cubans and the generals are improving everything por el pueblo…yeah right.

  9. An Interested Observer Says:

    “The revolution lacks experts who are not fully loyal, rojo rojito inside out, that Chavez can trust.”

    Or is it that there are experts, but when they properly apply their expertise, the economy goes in a direction Chavez does not want? Not to say better or worse, but simply less under his control.


  10. Just curious: how much better was the Agricultural sector in Vzla before Chavez? I know we used to export coffee, but that’s about it, no? Maybe some sorgo, and a few more cows.

    If memory serves, we’ve been importing a large % of our food even before Perez Jimenez. And, especially after the oil boom in the early70′s, we’ve relied on a somewhat perverse, inadvertent “oil for food” program of sorts.

    All I’m saying is don’t expect miracle cures after we get rid of Thugo, the Terminator.

    • An Interested Observer Says:

      Carlos, no miracles, agreed, but anyone who thinks the proper goal should be “food independence” believes in a myth. That may have made sense once upon a time, before easy trade, but in this globalized world it makes sense to export what you can and import what you need. The climate of Venezuela is not suited for growing all food types, so Venezuelans can eat better by importing non-native kinds of food.

      You and I are both warning against setting expectations too high, but your warning is against what is achievable, and mine is to warn against what isn’t at all necessary. Either way, if people are irrational, they are setting themselves up to perceive a failure which may not be a failure.

    • Carlos Says:

      Tocayo… Apples , pears , salmon and plums were imported also before the Chavez reign. However you were able to find any kind of tropical fruits and vegetables, beef, fish, etc etc with no need to import. Now Colombia and Brazil are feeding us. For what concerns wheat and oat it was usually imported but we were almost self served with corn, rice and beans.

    • An Interested Observer Says:

      I think we agree. It’s reasonable for any country to be self-sufficient in the crops that grow naturally in its clime. Yet Venezuela, thanks to backwards policies, is importing certain foods (coffee is a great example) from countries with similar growing conditions (the geographical and environmental kind, not political).

      (I don’t think I’m your tocayo…at least not by how I understand the word.)

  11. m_astera Says:

    Chavez has the Mi(er)das touch….

  12. Roy Says:

    When Chavez makes political and economic decisions, we always engage in extended debates about what his real plan is and what his real longer term objective is. I think that the truth is that he no longer has coherent long-term objectives. He is simply reacting to individual events without the benefit of a long-term policy. He does have general goals:

    1. Stay in power.

    2. Accumulate more power.

    What he does not have is a consistent plan or set of principles. There is a saying from the U.S. that goes, “When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is hard to remember that you set out to drain the swamp.” This is the position Chavez is in at the moment. Daily, he is beset with crisis after crisis. Because he has centralized so much power in his own hands, he makes too many decisions himself, and without the benefit of solid analysis and debate. Each poor decision he makes has negative consequences which lead to more crisis, and more emergency decisions.

    So, I think it is an error on our part to over-analyze Chavez’s political moves. By doing so, we are putting more thought into them than he himself is.

  13. Albionboy Says:

    Romans used to put their victims in a sack with a wild animal and then throw it in the river.

    Venezuelan’s are in that sack and the wild animal is Chavez.

  14. CharlesC Says:

    Please pardon the interruption, but this article is a must-read!
    http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2012/01/31/maria-corina-machado-le-escribe-a-fidel-senor-castro-deje-de-intervenir-en-nuestros-asuntos/

    YES!!!!!!!!!! This is great! Machado KO’s Castro!!
    She is right !!!!!!!!!!

  15. moctavio Says:

    Meat production has dropped off the roof and Polar has moved 50% of its food production to Colombia. Coffee is a disaster, we are importing coffee for the first time ever. Same with chicken production, as local producers get killed by import at Bs. 4.3. Simple market forces would create employment and investment, which would increase production.


    • Yes. but the point is that Vzla has never been much of a producer of anything except oil; some coffee, barely enough chickens to feed its own little 20mill. population, let alone export. They can still produce Turkeys, thanks in large part to a dear friend of mine, and his family, who continue to battle through all “rebolutionary” hurdles to this day

      Granted, after 12 years or Chavismo, el sector agropecuario, and just about every other area of the production side is even worse than it’s ever been.

      But my point is, after hearing all of these promises from the new opposition kiddos: do not dream too much. “Vamos a ser independientes de las importaciones”!! ” A producir en agricultura!!”

      Yeah, right. Like we were born yesterday.

      Corruption, crime, holes in the streets everywhere, lousy agriculture, lousy manufacturing, poor production everywhere — except the devil’s excrement, of course – have been in Vzla for decades. Way before this deplorable Chavez regime.

      And it will continue to be that way for many decades. A starting point is to get rid of Chavez. Sure. But EDUCATION is the only way out, as in Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica..

      Now Diego Arria is part of the “solution”? Jeeezzuzz, how quickly do we forget!

      As always, the hilarious Chiguire nails it on the head here:

      http://www.elchiguirebipolar.net/30-01-2012/gobierno-inicia-busqueda-de-boton-reset-de-venezuela/


      • And btw, I’m sure most of you are aware of some of the main reasons tropical,warm countries like ours don’t seem to produce much of anything and are rather lazy, corrupt, and inefficient. Even those which do not have Oil, which of course makes it even worse for other areas to develop:

        1. No winter weather. In places like Vzla, all you need is a few left-over ladrillos to build your ranchito, y a sembrar “al voleo”, couple of bananas, pinas, tamarindo.. y pal chinchorro con su cuartico e’ ron.

        People down in Chile or Argentina, USA or Europe have to haul their derrieres to prepare for the nasty weather.. As simple as that sounds, it’s a major factor: Adversity builds character, discipline and work ethic, of which we have very little down in the easy tropic.

        2. Did I mention under-education? That’s the big one.

        • CharlesC Says:

          Take a look at Brazil. Mr. Iglesia. For example Chavez talking about crossing
          Brahman (Zebu) with Holstein- as if that is new technology. It is not-been doing that for 50 years. Any subject Chavez mentions “to educate” el pueblo” on what a wonderful job they are doing – always ALWAYS is a big lie.
          Don’t tell me Venezuela cannot feed itself- and don’t tell me it is cheaper to import
          food. Another area of agriculture I wish some would focus on is forestry.
          And, fish farming for example. SO many areas can be developed in Venezuela.
          The problem is not just education- it is a lack of building businesses. Agriculture
          , food processing, distribution, and other areas like developing tourism
          infrastructure- no this is a military, 3rd world banana dictatorship run by
          a big mono who is a puppet of Castro.

      • GeronL Says:

        Not just food but everything that has been nationalized is seeing dramatic production declines, if I have been reading it right.

  16. moctavio Says:

    Independientes nunca, ni debemos tratar, pero si habria un boom y se recuperaria parte de lo perdido, ahorrando divisas que es lo importante, a Chavez eso no le importa.

    • CharlesC Says:

      Every extra money ends up being exploited by Chavez.
      Back to the land given to “el pueblo” most of it remains unproductive.
      Most of it is not being farmed or occupied -maybe with a campsite…
      The large farms and fincas that have been taken over and given to
      Generals etc. most of them have become totally unproductive -because
      the generals don’t care about producing -they have money from other sources…
      I wish someone counld find out where the “900 cuban famer trainers “are and
      what the hell they are doing- I suspect most are on large farms taken over by generals and big chavista fat cats….

      • CharlesC Says:

        Remember the Iranian tractors to be assembled in Venezuela- after how many years-how is that working out? When Chavez was flying around in the helicopter did you see any Iranian tractors down below. No? Por que?
        Chavez does not represent the will of the Venezuelan people. Chavez is a blood-sucking parasite like his mentor, demi-god Fidel Castro -the biggest blood-sucking parasite around.

  17. firepigette Says:

    http://porlaconciencia.com/?p=2121

    MCM seems to have really gotten under Chavez’s skin:)

  18. firepigette Says:

    sorry…wrong link…where is his dignity ?…anger can be dignified but this is just BURLA

  19. island canuck Says:

    Well it looks like the AN will be in charge of the agriculture loans – that should work.

    http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=217384

    Here is the report in Spanish:
    El presidente de la comisión permanente de Finanzas y Desarrollo Económico de la Asamblea Nacional (AN), Ricardo Sanguino, dio a conocer que decidieron iniciar una supervisión sobre la aplicación de la cartera agrícola en el país, tras revisar el informe de la Sudeban sobre la otorgación de créditos en el año 2011.

    “Comenzaremos por la banca pública y luego iremos a la banca privada. Nosotros tenemos aquí todos los datos que los bancos le suministran a la Superintendencia de Bancos (Sudeban), dijo.

    El informe de la Sudebn demostró que 60,08% de los créditos al agro fueron otorgados a 145 personas naturales y jurídicas.

    The interesting note is that according to Sudeban 61% of the money loaned was to only 145 entities.

  20. CharlesC Says:

    Capriles gave a beautiful speech today in Yaracuy. First part about
    agriculture is fanatastic!!! This is a great speech today.
    http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2012/02/01/capriles-radonski-aseguro-que-tras-ganar-las-presidenciales-acabara-con-las-expropiaciones/

  21. deananash Says:

    OMG, I’d forgotten what an imbecile the naked emperor is. How can you all stand it?

    • firepigette Says:

      deananash…you have to remember that many people still expound on these blogs saying what a great communicator Chavez is….so just imagine…..it is not that much of a stretch for some as you would think.

    • Kepler Says:

      Deananash,
      Why do you ask that? You should know better. I think most people writing here are and have always been anti-Chavez. I was anti-Chavez since before I knew his name. I am sure others are like that.

      How do THEY stand Chávez? How did they stand other dictators?

      • deananash Says:

        I meant that I can’t imgine being stuck in VZ and having to bear the diarrhea that spews from his mouth. I would rather die. Seriously.

        Of course, you’re both right, I’m just preaching to the choir. Chavez will NEVER leave via elections, which leaves few options. I think someone is going to have to bite the bullet and execute a better – and necessarily messier – plan. (I wonder if I would have the courage?)

      • CharlesC Says:

        I am against all dictators everywhere. Mr. Kepler, thank you for the list of places to vote in the upcoming precandidate election. I did not know one is very nearby to where I live. Thanks for your research too.

  22. firepigette Says:

    Kepler,

    But even many anti Chavez praise his communication skills.I see nothing to praise.His communications sound absurd, rude, undignified, and quite unintelligent to me….not to mention bizarre.

    • Syd Says:

      Sigh…
      Evidently you didn’t notice, FP, that in the videoclip you offered, Chavez was reading from a letter that was written by no doubt, a chavista, with no other purpose than to mock MCM, as well as “pueblospeak” with all the “oseas”, a term which MCM most certainly does not use.

      So as to your first assumption that MCM got under Chávez’ skin, you are correct. But you perhaps failed to see that Chavez was returning the favour, via a third-way mechanism: a mock letter written by a chavista operative who was mocking MCM.

      As for your reasoning that Chavez has no communication skills (read: for his target market) that is based on faulty logic. To illustrate, I’ll begin by asking: Does Chavez have great oratorical skills? I don’t think so. As a non-chavista, do I like hearing Chavez speak? Absolutely not. But I’d be an idiot not to recognize certain political realities. And that is, Chavez rather brilliantly connects with his staunchest political base through his anecdotal repartee. That is where the realization that he has good communication skills comes into play. He knows how to press political buttons and gain the deepest loyalties from his adherents. There is no question about that.

      If you need further proof of this logic, consider product X. It’s crap. You and I both know it’s crap. But the promoters have created astounding advertising to air between children’s TV programs, as well as a host of collateral promotions aimed to ensure the widest possible acceptance of X. The synergies become well entrenched and grow. Millions of children adore X. But all products have a finite life cycle, and as time wears on, critical mass grows beyond the efforts of the promoters of X. More and more children realize that X is crap. But not before the company that produced X has made billions of dollars.

      Now, you can say that the promotion of X has been crap. But if it brilliantly connected to its target market, then the good communication skills cannot be debated. It did its job.

      • firepigette Says:

        No need to discuss anything with me Syd.We obviously have nothing to discuss with each other.Just a waste of time.

        • Syd Says:

          sigh again. Evidently, FP, these blogs have become a sounding board for your external crusade (in writing only). Since few, if any, can discuss logically with a firebrand, would you kindly allow us to stick to the topic at hand, without frequently derailing us with your momentary passions and need for attention? Thanks in advance.

    • Kepler Says:

      Firepigette,
      I have listened to the speeches and rumblings of a couple of autocrats from very different calibre. I never got fascinated by them, I always found their discourse repulsive. And yet I can understand how they worked and I understand an individual devoid of principles, a psychopath, would be very aware of his power with words upon a large segment of the population…in any society, even if some, due to a better tradition on debate or many other factors, are better protected against any one individual as such gaining too much power.

      Mein Kampf was a shit of a book, badly written and repulsive. And yet I found it informative for how evil functioned.

      My free translation:
      “Every propaganda has to be popular and its intellectual level has to be set to the perception capacity of the most limited individual among the target group”
      Was Hitler a communicator? I have listened his speeches and seen a couple of his videos and I knew a little bit about the moment he was saying this or that, whether 1933 or 35 or 39 or 44. His manners seemed to me clownish, stupid. The stuff makes me want to puke or to think how ridiculous he was. And yet I try to picture the kind of minds he was reaching. Actually: many were not that stupid when it come to some parts of our “intelligence”, but they were bloody filled with resentment and contempt and anger and he knew how to manipulate that.

      Here, in Venezuela, we are dealing with a completely different creature and yet there are some issues we can always learn from such individuals: we need to analyse their discourse and offer not a repetition of it, not a blind attack of it based on a catharsis that makes us feel better, but on a message for as many as we can reach that are in the wobbly zone.

      Other than that, there is another method and that is violence against that individual. And yet: in the case of Chávez this is hardly a solution. Why do I think so? That’s my impression from reading a bit of South American history and how things such as La Violencia in Colombia took place.

      I disagree we need to avoid talking to him. But I also disagree with María Corina Machado, as that is what I mentioned already, a cathartic action and nothing more. I think we must confront him and ridicule him. And yet we must do so in a way that does’t put us as distinct from the wobbly ones, but puts HIM as someone who is cheating the average Venezuela, who is pretending to be what he is not, etc.

      To react against Chávez we need to react like those rangers who would prepare traps locking an animal to a given place…and when the animal tried to attack or go away in one given direction, it would get impaled.
      We don’t throw a spear without thinking what’s next and what’s next after that.

      • deananash Says:

        Finally, YES! Hit him where it hurts (him): his GIGANTIC ego. And don’t stop! Remember the “3 strikes”? The pitcher has a perfect game by now. Chavez’s batting average isn’t more than .099 MOCK HIM…and don’t stop!

  23. firepigette Says:

    Kepler,

    The main point I make is that exposing Chavez to the outside world and being open and honest is the only way to lessen his power.You and I both know there isn’t much chance for the opposition to win ‘fair and square’…and if it does it won’t gain power.

    Right now Chavez feeds on a partial fig leaf, a fearful pueblo, and his powerful alliances with criminal orgs.Venezuelans alone cannot get rid of him at this point.

    Most people outside of Venezuela either have no interest in him(in the US most people know he is a dictator but don’t give a hoot) or others( more leftist) in UK or France have their doubts as to how much better the opposition is due to its very weak voice and viewpoint….

    I personally think that Machado’s voice is the most appropriate one as a wake up call because I believe in honest communication and its power.I believe in the power of speaking from the heart.Too many times in my lifetime I have seen it move mountains.

    But then there is Diego Aria who is always calm but also exposing Chavez for what he is…..and good for him.

    If we can expose him worldwide and take advantage of International orgs to help get rid of a good part of International crime in Venezuela, we might have a fighting chance.The more we can pressure Chavismo internationally ,the better our chances are.This requires allowing people to see who he is and not how much we are willing to cooperate with him.The more we play his game the less valid our position appears.

    I somehow, so far, don’t see Capriles likely to do that.Diego A would also be a good choice I think.

    But of course taking a chance on anyone but Chavez is better than nothing I suppose.

    • Kepler Says:

      “If we can expose him worldwide and take advantage of International orgs to help get rid of a good part of International crime in Venezuela, we might have a fighting chance.The more we can pressure Chavismo internationally ,the better our chances are.”
      The more we pressurize, the better the chances we have of WHAT? Don’t tell me “of getting rid of Chávez”, but be concrete: of getting rid of Chávez how through the international community?

      Firepigette, don’t you see what is happening in the world?

      Chavez does have a large part of the population behind him. 41% 50% I don’t know, but definitely more than 40%.
      I know he will cheat. The point is we need to win as many people to our side as possible so that the cheating won’t be because we got only 50% and he got 49% and the rest was null and not because we got only 55% or 58% but make him cheat when we get 60% and more. And that would be his fall.
      Either that or the end will come when the economy deteriorates too much in the middle of his next term or if he dies.
      There is no other way around that. It won’t be an Iraq, it won’t be an Afghanistan.

  24. firepigette Says:

    Kepler,

    I am highly skeptical of the opinions of those who claim he is popular.I keep up with an amazing amount of people there, have done my own investigations, and there are quite a few who agree with me in the following:

    That many who say they are with Chavez, are not really.The problem is a combination of fear and habit….they don’t really know what to do.

    In my opinion Capriles is kowtowing mostly to that part of the population who is fearful and has a misconception of their possibilities.

    I am also sure that Chavez would prefer Capriles to win.

    It is very dangerous in a dictatorship to rely too much on polls.It is always better to rely on one’s own sense of reality whatever that may be.

    I suppose it is possible that 2 people doing their own investigations will have 2 different viewpoints….but then again, even after the ” experts” pronounce their findings, people will still chose different approaches.

    • Syd Says:

      “..people doing their own investigations”, if they are to be even marginally believed, have those investigations properly documented and published, better yet, with peer review. They describe their methodology. They analyze the components and discuss the results.

      Then there are other people… They’re hoping no one questions them on the *investigations* that they say they’re conducting — no other informationn provided — on a comments mechanism in a blog. And whatever for? By being vague, much can be glossed over. And statements can help fulfill self-esteem needs, veracity be damned.

  25. firepigette Says:

    Kepler,

    Of course victories at the polls demonstrate to potential rivals that they have little hope of defeating the incumbent, and that therefore it does not make sense to go strongly into the opposition.Then it’s when people start thinking about deals and bargains, or they just simple give up.

    Just think about it from a dictator’s point of view, parties are costly but they have many potential uses.They can in some circumstances enforce an elite bargain to limit lethal competition.

    In Venezuela I know there is enough true opposition to truly oppose Chavez….but fear is high, and always has been the deterrent.It is more psychological fear than anything else.Fear of technology, of Santeria, of losing something etc.

    You and I both know that if the people thought there would be no problems or repercussions.If they had no fear- and believed that Chavez would give up the gun…..polls would reflect a greater truth.At this point even if people are voting for Chavez, the decision is not a free one.

  26. CharlesC Says:

    I cannot document this -but, many people believe the world will end this year, 2012.
    All I can tell you is, I know some elementary teachers who say the children have heard about this and many are afraid and are asking the teachers about it.
    I, on the other hand, have decided that I have been too serious, losing sleep, worrying and stressing about mainly other people’s problems-( I too can have an
    I don’t care attitude..)Venezuela be damned. As another blogger mentioned -Venezuelans are inside a bag with a dangerous animal-Chavez. I am outside- I ask relatives everyday to come and join me-get their visas etc. and get out…
    Time to party here and let Venezuela go to Cuba-the ring is in their nose and Chavez has the rope tied to it…

  27. firepigette Says:

    Charles,

    End of the world? No way….look it up on the Nasa website to clear up all nonsense.

    As for Venezuela…I can understand how you feel.People have squandered the years believing in a lot of BS and it continues.

    It is now at a point that it will take a storm to start something new.

    I don’t give up because I never give up….but it is perfectly understandable that you or anyone would feel this way.

    But from what I can gather from all my friends and family there :Most people are living in a kind of denial having fun despite all, and many are even perfecting the art of distraction.

    Maybe we are more worried than many who are there.Sometimes I think that.

    • CharlesC Says:

      “Shortly before, professor Gloria River basin took the word and revealed why she supports the candidacy of Machado. “She is a woman who could live on another way, that could live in the outside, but is here with us, fighting to recover the democracy. The mother country is the best legacy than a woman can leave her children ”
      I believe many women are rallying for Machado -I know it is late, there is no time..
      And, quite a few men have been touched by her spirit as well
      (Call me weird, but I felt it from the beginning. Really, I did. She touches
      my heart with her words.)I said from the beginning -she is IS a big symbolic
      difference-yes, because she is a woman-but not just any kind -a very good
      role model, I believe. She was righfully on this issue about the ninos with guns
      in the photos from the beginning. I think she started slowly from nowhere practically with no party etc.. but she has made giant strides esp. as of late
      and yes -so many have already “made their descision” but, if nothing else I am very glad she has participated.
      I believe bloggers here-should have the decency to separate their attacks
      against Firepigette from their attacks against Machado.
      And, to evensay- “since Firepigette is for Machado- I will be against her”=wow
      way over the top–cuckoo!!!

    • Syd Says:

      Charles:
      As you and firepigette are US citizens, living in the US, I strongly recommend that you find a better target market for your pom-pom cheerleading of MCM than these boards.

      Suggestion: Contact the MCM central and offer your concretely-stated services.

      I find it offensive that there are some that use these boards to shill. I can understand stating preferences for certain pre-candidates, once or twice, maybe three times. But that is not what firepigette has been doing. It’s a constant, airy-fairy lecture on what “we” need to do. It’s tiresome.

      Firepigette prefers to ignore that most of the world is well aware that Chavez is a nutcase. It is a conclusion that most people, from different parts of the world, have finally realized. That’s due to tireless efforts by a few, a decade ago, writing to many news editors around the world. (I was a small contributor in this regard.) We did not repeatedly tell others what they should be doing, but we actually went ahead and did it. Quietly and without fanfare. (What a concept!)

      Today, small remnants of *possible* support for Chavez remains in the international media. And that is due to pragmatism. Editors want to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. To do so, they allow both views of Chávez in the same article.

      Regardless of this reality, Firepigette needs a cause. Badly. She continues to lecture us. And she extrapolates the few hints of a beneficial view of Chavez, in certain media organizations, to make it seem as though there’s insufficient repudiation of Chavez (read: insufficient support of MCM).

      As a reader of this blog and most of its comments, I appreciate a well-reasoned comment, one with words that can be backed up, quotes that provide sources, in sum reasoning that has been through a certain schooling.

      I find it insulting to read airy-fairy pap, time and again, from someone without the intellectual authority to be lecturing me or anyone else. I find it insulting when that person is unwilling to supply specifics upon request.

      As a result of the channel stuffing on these comments, by those who have ulterior motives or needs, I as a reader have every right to come to a conclusion. And that is, if MCM attracts such devoted Messianic seekers, I want no part of this pre-candidate.

      I hope that that satisfies your cuckoo labeling, when you are not worrying about the end of the world in 2012.

      • CharlesC Says:

        Dear Sid,
        Not meaning to bug you, and you are correct in so many ways. Yes, I am a US citizen (Are you a Canadian?)Point is for me personally, I don’t know if you
        really “have any skin in the game”-ie. have you, family or friends lost anything in Venezuela?
        Here’s a recent letter to editor by Machado-it expresses how and why I feel the way I do and I know many others feel the same way.
        http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2012/02/04/maria-corina-machado-expropiar-es-robar/
        Maria Corina Machado has brought tears to my eyes twice. No other candidate
        has done that.
        You are way off base, Syd saying something like attracts such Messianic seekers”..bah blah blah.
        Sorry fot the cuckoo labeling-there was a time when I thought you wer
        “the cat’s meow”…
        P.S. I have no ulterior motive- I know you may have intended that dart at
        Firepigette..

  28. Kepler Says:

    Firepigette,

    I asked you several times to tell us how you see a concrete application of “the international community” etc and you just pretend I didn’t say that or you just become completely evasive. That is not very constructive.

    You really haven’t thought things through. I am asking a very last time:
    what do you CONCRETELY expect to happen if some “international community” dislikes Chávez? What?
    Mind: look at Syria right now. They are killing thousands of people (forget about the murder rate in Venezuela, we won’t sell it as ‘Assad-like attacks’ even if we get more Venezuelans murdered every year because of Chavez’s irresponsible government).
    Russia is completely blocking the Security Council. Russia depends much less on Syria than on Venezuela.
    What do you want exactly to happen in Venezuela? If you are going to reply yet again with another fuzzy text, please, just better don’t answer.

    • Syd Says:

      Unfortunately Kep, these comment boards, not only provide a response mechanism to the post at hand, and a sense of community to those who are seriously interested in the topic, but they also provide a home to those who need an emotional outlet, who need to be the center of attention. Hence the grandiose statements, the exaggerations, the deviations from topic, the vagueness when questioned on specifics.

      Lately, these comment boards have become a place for shilling one particular pre-candidate. Which makes me wonder. If that pre-candidate attracts those whose intellectual rigor is unreliable and suspect, why on earth would I want to support that pre-candidate?

  29. firepigette Says:

    Kepler,

    I am afraid you might not understand the concepts of energy and movement of which I speak , or the nature of isolation vs support.When people feel empowered things happen.When people feel there is weight on their side they embolden.

    The problem the opposition has that works for Chavez’s advantage is International indifference or collusion and the world does not loudly declare itself against the regime ..If the opposition already feels weak and fearful, just imagine the effect isolation has on the problem,while giving Chavez indirect but definite psychological support.World opinion exerts a psychological pressure.

    Once there is International awareness , it will inject more energy into the opposition and allow the opposition to think in a different way and come up with better solutions.,

    No one tactic can be planned beyond that of exposure .What happens after winning the battle of exposure ,can then be planned.

    • Carolina Says:

      FP – sadly To say, the international community won’t – and they shouldn’t – do anything to oust an elected president of any country. Whether we like it or not, whether we think there was fraud or not, they guy got there by elections.
      I don’t think it’s about Indiference, it’s about international agreements and politics.
      Then there is also the oil. Those benefited from the Venezuelan oil won’t do anything either.
      The guy has to be taken out of power only by us.

  30. John from Mass. Says:

    Hello, I have been reading your Blogs for 2-3 months now. I just can’t believe that your President still exists? I am from the states and do read everything I can about the state of your country and the goings-on of Mr. Chavez Your country has such great potential to be in a much better world class setting. Your president has to GO! I read your blogs nightly and seriously, can’t believe what I’m reading! I seriously hope that the cancer comes back and does the job it should have months ago. Don’t give up your battle with your current regime. Myself, as well as thousands and probably millions of people throughout the FREE world are watching, and listening to your plight as well as your progress. Slow currently, but with the strong will that I can read and feel from your blogs, know that you are on the right track to get your beautiful country back to a free world that is ready to accept you with open arms!
    Viva Venezuela!!!


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