When Godgiven Speaks, Should Anyone Listen?

May 28, 2012

(Cabello practicing lying on a whiteboard)

With a straight face, Godgiven (a.k.a Diosdado Cabello, President of the Venezuelan National Assembly) himself told the press that “Chavez does not have a date to register to be a candidate for the election…in fact, he could do it via the Internet”

Jeez, what can I say? From the Government that brought Venezuela into literacy, The same Government that built 80,000-plus housing units so far in 2012, no matter what the Cubans may say or think, we now hear that shucks! Chavez just does not feel like it. Is not health, its shyness. Why make a big deal out of it? Why fix a date? He may just send an e-mail. He would just Tweet it, if it were legal. Chavez has never been one to like being in the spotlight, he never liked the limelight and all media opportunities in the last thirteen years, have just been decided at the last minute. they just went well, mostly. Like the one million that brought him back to Miraflores in 2002. Or the one million that went to the May Day march on May 1st.

Yeah, sure Godgiven. And you don’t want to be President and you are fully loyal to Hugo and money stinks!

As we say in Spanish, “Ahora cuentame una de vaqueros” (Now, tell me one about cowboys)

At this rate, we may never see Chavez “live” during his second term, just because he is so shy…He confirmed he does not know

So, when Godgiven speaks, should anyone listen?

132 Responses to “When Godgiven Speaks, Should Anyone Listen?”

  1. Francisco Toro Says:

    Government by Ouija Board, here we come…

    • Pol47 Says:

      Report: Chavez’s cancer has ‘entered the end stage’
      By Dan Rather

      PostsBy Dan Rather | HDNet – 2 hrs 30 mins agoEmailShare18PrintRelated ContentPlay VideoVideo: Chavez heads to Havana for cancer treatment
      Reuters 0:45 | 885 views
      This reporter has been told that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has metastatic rhabdomyosarcoma, an aggressive cancer that has “entered the end stage”. The information and the quote come from a highly respected source close to Chavez and who is in a position to know his medical condition and history. This source says the prognosis is dire and that Chavez is now not expected to live “more than a couple of months at most.” Chavez is running for re-elec tion in Venezuela but several sources–including the one who revealed the exact kind of cancer– have told me that they believe it is doubtful the dictator will live to see the results.

      • jessica wabbit Says:

        yea…we all know that Dan Rather has a lot of credibility….

        hey kepler did you go buy a sense of humor yet?

  2. megaescualidus Says:

    Weren’t the Internet, email, and Tweeter invented at “El Imperio”? Why are they using those Imperialist inventions anyway?

  3. VJ Says:

    Or the three million followers in Tweeter….!!!!


  4. Devil says ‘when Godgiven speaks, should anyone listen?’

    Only when he becomes the boss :-P
    cheers

    [His sister, Glenna Daboin, is a political scientist and current Counsellor of the Venezuelan Permanent Mission to the United Nations.[5] His brother, José David Cabello, previously minister of infrastructure, is in charge of the nation’s taxes as head of SENIAT, Venezuela’s revenue service.]

    • Isa Says:

      And they all have bodyguards, maids, butlers and armored cars.

      viva La Revolucion!


      • with muggers at every twist and turn, you just gotta have guards and cars. Maids and butlers are just another way of spreading wealth among the revolutionary folk, I suppose…
        cheers

  5. Charly Says:

    Pretty soon the big man who is so shy these days will try to enroll Charon in a coup against Hades. Big mess in Olympus but for us it is good riddance.

  6. NET Says:

    This is actually good news. Barring an unlikely staged “triumphal” reappearance (he didn’t look so bad as usual a week ago), the longer Chavez is off-camera, the more likely he is sicker than most people expect.


  7. A LIGHT-HEARTED look at Hades –
    Hell is a place of eternal damnation in the Underworld.
    It is (for many travelers) the ultimate destination.
    Hell is popular with travelers rich and poor alike, at all times of year.
    The good news is that going to Hell requires little planning, but it’s not for everyone.

    Hades was created shortly after God created the Heavens and the Earth,
    serving as a place to banish the angel Lucifer
    when he rebelled against the Creator.
    Though an armistice was signed,
    Hell has nevertheless remained in a state of war with Heaven,
    from which it is separated by a De-Militarized Zone.

    So you see, a
    Christian also has Lucifer [Satan] on his side.
    What would an atheist have?
    No God, no loyal angels, no fallen angels,
    but just maybe the Babaaláwos?
    cheers

    • liz Says:

      Risking to be accused of lacking any sense of humor… :) I must tell you that HADES is Greek and it means the same as Sheol in Hebrew: common grave for mankind.
      Usually Hades and Sheol are translated into Hell. But it’s not the place we think it is… Dante created it! and boy did he was creative!!!
      And commenting on the post, I think Godgiven was “picando a’lante”, “tirando un trapo rojo” or misinformed. (Or all of the above). If you ponder about it, he’d be very much interested in messing with the comandante’s candidacy.

      PS> Miguel, nunca me habia costado tanto postear un comentario!! me pidieron la clave, que ni me la sabia … y un proceso mas enrollado que nunca. Antes, solo ponia mi email y era automatico. Algo cambio?


      • clave? ni idea, no sabia habia clave y no he cambiado nada

        • liz Says:

          Si! wordpress me exigio clave. Termine poniendo una de mentira, para que me preguntara mi email y me mandaran un link para ‘cambiarla’. Tengo que estar ‘signed in’ para poder comentar. Pienso que es porq estoy en otra compu… la original se me murio. En fin, ya sabes.

          • Firepigette Says:

            Liz,that happens to me over at Daniel’s blog,plus i cannot use Firefox,only chrome…have you tried switching browsers?…firepigette

            • liz Says:

              Hmm… you could be right Cerdita! lately I cannot even look a Daniel’s comments, they simply don’t upload. I thought it was my computer, as I’m now using an older one.

  8. A. Shaw Says:

    ““Chavez does not have a date to register to be a candidate for the election…in fact, he could do it via the Internet” the DE quotes.

    0000

    Capriles, on what date will you register?

    The way things are going, my registering will be waste of time.

    But Capriles, don’t you have between June 1 and 11 to register?

    Yes, but I don’t see how registering will make any difference.

    But Capriles, listen please, surely you can’t quit even before the race begins?

    The race began months ago.

    Capriles, how can think this way when you have both the USA and EU on your side?

    I would trade both of them if could get Venezuela on my side.

    Capriles, are you literate?

    I’m a tax lawyer, what do you think?

    Come on, Capriles, don’t you know your opponent has a medical problem?

    I should have run against him while he was well.

  9. Ira Says:

    Spoke to my wonderful niece today, who basically cried to my wife and I that:

    “If we’re supposed to have free speech in this country, how come I was forced to wear red and go to the Mayday event in order to keep my job?”

    A brilliant, beautiful young girl forced to live through this garbage. And millions just like her.

    Makes you wanna puke.

    • Ira Says:

      And the paranoia runs so incredibly deep that she and my wife don’t want me to identify her line of work with the government, in fear of being “found out” and fired.

    • firepigette Says:

      Ira,

      Nobody is forced to work in a place they do not morally agree with.Have you not ever heard of people quitting their jobs for ethical reasons? I have. It is quite common actually.If we are not willing to sacrifice we cannot complain.That’s where Chavez gets us.It is a form of corruption.

      • Ira Says:

        Uhhh…

        When you’ve gone to college for a certain profession…and the government controls all the hiring in that industry…what are your options?

        And what the heck are you talking about “sacrifice?” Are you saying that all anti-Chavistas should quit their government jobs because of ethical reasons? How do they eat? How do they pay rent or their mortgage? How do they put clothes on their backs?

        It’s incredible of you to support a system which puts people in this position, and you are incredibly generous with other people’s livelihoods. My guess is, though, if the shoe were on the other foot, you would throw that red shirt on like there’s no tomorrow if your paycheck depended on it.

        • loroferoz Says:

          She might as be sane and prudent. And start looking discreetly for another job. Preferably outside of Venezuela, in a place where the pay, the management and working conditions might be decent.

          And not only for ethical reasons, though those should count heavily, as she was obviously disgusted. To put it bluntly: Whatever they pay her, it’s a terrible job. I could only guess idly that there are other things she might have to let go or do to keep the job, aside from the red shirt. I could guess odds of her being fired or worse for banal motives. I suppose that she, the person experiencing it knows better than anyone else. I can only suggest that she weigh them wisely, and consider alternatives that allow her to keep her career and her integrity.

      • m_astera Says:

        “you would throw that red shirt on like there’s no tomorrow if your paycheck depended on it”

        No, that is what you would do, Ira. Not what someone with a conscience and the courage of their convictions would do. Pretty hard to even wrap your head around the idea of a person actually having ethical convictions and following them when there is money at stake, eh?

        • NET Says:

          It’s not money, it’s survival, and at a minimum wage or so that is 1/4 or so in real terms of that for a person cleaning bathrooms at a U.S. McDonald’s, and with very few if any alternative jobs available in the Venezuelan market!

          • firepigette Says:

            Well, sorry to say here that I have done precisely that, in very precarious conditions,and with a daughter to support – and somehow I managed.I don’t see it as something extraordinary either.Many do it.

        • Ira Says:

          Look–you’re claiming to act in a certain way in a hypothetical situation, and I’m calling you out on it. Talk is cheap…especially on the internet.

          To put it simply, you are either deluding yourself, or lying.

          • syd Says:

            I wonder, too, especially when there’s a lack of concrete specifics that would inspire confidence in the telling … not the first time …

        • m_astera Says:

          Ira, what I said. You can’t even conceive of ordinary people having moral and ethical convictions that could override money or security. Because you can’t imagine, you are making the false assumption that everyone is as venal as you. Not the case. My ethics are not for sale, and I’ve proven that many times, even when I had young children; as has firepigette, it seems.

          There’s another funny thing you will never get to experience: When you choose to live what you believe, instead of selling out, the universe has a way of stepping in and showing its approval, in amazing ways.

    • Carolina Says:

      I know times have changed since then, but there is always a way out, which is not going and losing your job.

      I worked in the city when Claudio Fermin was the major. One day they asked us to wear comfortable clothing the next day. When i got there. he had the whole planning office doing crafts and lots of sewing for his tent of the Romeria Blanca.

      I looked at my boss and asked him if he thought it was right to use a whole department for that, he looked at me like ‘how dare you” and I quit.

      People need to start understanding that what is at stake here is not their job, it the moral values of a country.

      • Ira Says:

        How can you expect a 25-year-old to give up her dreams of a house with her new husband, and hopefully something babies, for something as obscure as moral values?

        • Carolina Says:

          I was 26 when I did it.

        • Kepler Says:

          Sorry, but Carolina is right. And I know a lot who also did what Carolina do.
          My sister did, she went and said: then fire me.
          But then there are the others who did as that “oh-just-25^-year old”.
          It’s about integrity.

          • Carolina Says:

            And I don’t think it’s about “dreams”. It’s just a matter of getting another job or finding something else to do. The dreams stay.
            I believe that leaving a job is much much difficult for somebody in their late 40’s than for a kid that is just starting.

        • ErneX Says:

          Por eso estamos como estamos.

          • liz Says:

            Exacto! My husband lost his pants twice thanks to the regime. I have been working almost like a buhonera for a year and a half now. We cannot get decent job -thanks to Tascon list also…
            But I can look my son eye to eye.
            I will not sell my soul, my principles, to money. That’s blood money BTW.

        • johnny Walking Says:

          It is amazing how all these do-gooders judge from their comfortable exiled lives someone of whom they know nothing about her personal circumstances living in a country with extremely limited opportunities and for all practical purposes on the verge of economic collapse, more so if Chavez somehow manages to win the election. Always assuming that there is some alternative, just because they had it in the past. As if emigrating now is very easy. Yes, as someone of you said: “por eso estamos como estamos.” Total lack of capacity to wear someone else’s shoes. Zero empathy. Self-righteousness. Really, people, Venezuela doesn’t need you at all.

          • Carolina. Says:

            “…from their comfortable exiled lives…”

            That is an assumption. Your assumption. You have no idea what kind of obstacles one has to waive, including abusive bosses and companies without moral values, just like in Venezuela.

            • johnny Walking Says:

              You are going to make me cry. I can’t even begin to imagine the hell of a life you are living up there in Canada. But, don’t worry anymore, I will pay for your plane ticket to get back to the homeland.

          • ErneX Says:

            Oh look at you go.

  10. Ira Says:

    Did anyone watch the recent special about RCTV? I didn’t understand half of it, but from what I could understand, it was pretty heartbreaking.

  11. Kepler Says:

    Guys, can you please search for Diosdado’s twitter account? Since the day those posters came up I can only see the message about “Loading Tweets seems to be taking a while.
    Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup.”
    I had kept an eye on his account before. This can happen sometimes, but now it is permanent.

    Somehow his account seems to be red hot at the moment.

  12. Halfempty Says:

    Kepler, that phrase is also polite twitterese for you’ve been banned. Which would something of an honor.

    • Kepler Says:

      HalfEmpty
      I have the impression that phrase is a good-for-all error message for accounts or transactions that are having “issues”…be it because people are attacking it, it was hijacked or indeed, Godgiven was banned.

  13. firepigette Says:

    Diosdado’s twitter account is fine.I just checked.Last tweet 13 hours ago:

    Diosdado Cabello R ‏@dcabellor

    Oposición emprende guerra contra encuestadoras ante amplia ventaja de Chávez http://bit.ly/L8M2m1 @PartidoPSUV @chavezcandanga
    Expand

    • Kepler Says:

      That’s strange, it seems then to be on this side, it’s only with him.

      And read this from El Caudillo:
      “Madres, Madres, Madres, mil felicidades y todo el amor de este hijo, de este compañero! MadreSanta, Maisanta que ViviremosYVenceremos!”
      What a wanker (excuse my French)
      Maisanta was that criminal who became Hugo’s great-grandfather.


  14. Fidel always enjoyed filling his long absences with lengthy “Reflections” packed with long block quotes from other marxist authors and rehashed ideas from his own previous columns that “proved” he was still alive and mentally alert. Then he would “pop” back up via a tightly controlled video clip with a visiting dignitary (usually sitting, sometimes standing, but never actually moving). I can imagine Chavez using pre-recorded cadenas and twitter the same way, but the campaign factor makes it trickier.

  15. antonio aranguren Says:

    When Godgiven speaks you should listen and calculate events 180 degrees. Which in this case it means Chavez will register in person and recovered from Cancer! In other words there is no Cancer!!!

  16. VJ Says:

    Godgiven is speaking to the chavistas, specifically the civilian wing, that being the fact that the president is real sick he (Godgiven) is the chosen one. But everybody, chavistas and opposition, should carefully listen…

  17. Albionboy Says:

    Well we had a TV President for 13 years, so now
    we’ll have a virtual TV President!

  18. loroferoz Says:

    Somebody should tell them (Diosdado, Jaua, Maduro) that to Bullsh**t decently, one should not to speak that much, or at any rate not to say that much when you speak a lot. One should try and be pals with the receivers too.

    Another thing, stick to a simple, plausible lie and don’t change it except unless absolutely necessary. Well, that they have done up to a point. They say that Chavez will be well enough for candidacy. The problem: that flew in the face of evidence to start with. So it was not that plausible.

    These people really need a course in “guabineo”.

  19. CharlesC Says:

    What’s the difference between Cabello and God?
    God doesn’t think he’s Cabello.

  20. firepigette Says:

    Ira,

    I actually quit my job in my late 40’s for ethical reasons, partially related to Chavismo and partially related to corruption in the school…..and I relied on my wits to support my daughter til I could make other plans.All of this took a heavy toll on me, sure…in some ways I have never completely recovered, but on the ” psycho- spiritual level I feel it benefited both me and my children.

    If most people in Venezuela hold onto their jobs for ” survival” Chavez has it made.Survival is not threatened.We always find a way to survive, and I believe when we do the ethical thing, somehow fate is on our side.

    I know it is hard.It’s damn hard….but on one hand I tell you, hard makes it all that much more worth it on the personal level.

    It is scarey to think that so many people are prisoners of their own dependence.I am not saying this to make a value judgement of anyone.I know there are loads of good people out there who are hiding their political affiliations for expediency.I think it is a problem of a lack long term thinking and realizing where it all leads on a deeper level.

    • Carolina Says:

      I’m with you FP.

      I did the same, and sold Tupperware for survival, while looking for another job.

      If the government has the monopoly, then thinking a change of carrers is also another option.

      The problem is that a lot of people see this as a defeat, and it’s totally the opposite.

      • Carolina. Says:

        Just a thought/ question to those not grasping the concept yet:

        Would you leave your abusive spouse that hits you every week, or would you stay and toughen it up just for the sake of having a nice house and food every day?

        For me there is no difference.

        • firepigette Says:

          Yes Carolina, great analogy…so many women out there stay with abusive husbands using this same rationalization.They cannot conceive of how they can make it without them ( usually for financial reasons).

          I like to decide what to do then find the way to do it rather than worrying first about if it is possible or not.Usually where there is a will there is a way.Putting the goal first, we get creative.There are things worth too much to brush aside.

          • Carolina. Says:

            And men too FP.
            Most of them stay “for the children” and because their manhood doesn’t let them admit it.

            • CharlesC Says:

              Yeah, I stayed and we don’t even have children…
              I have the scars to prove it.
              Someone asked me recently “Do you ever look at your
              wife’s face when you make love?”
              Isaid-“I did once and I saw the anger in her face.”
              “Why anger?”
              “Because she was watching from the window.”

              Another one:
              “Marriage is like a deck of cards.
              How so?
              In the beginning all you need is two hearts and a diamond.
              By the end, you wish you had a damn club and a spade.”

        • syd Says:

          When you grow up with abuse, you normally have no choice but to tolerate the conditions, at a young age, perhaps through your teens, or a little past that. By the time you’re well into your twenties, able to hold down a job (feed yourself, pay rent), you should have enough moral fiber to say “NO” to what is intolerable or inconsistent with your values.

          Having said that, it often takes a tipping point to spark the departure. And even then, you risk making wrong associations, inviting more abuse. You may not even realize how compromised is your sense of self. Fighting may be hard in the first instance. But if you meet the first challenge, other hurdles get progressively easier as you gain in strength.

          I have a little experience in these things.

          • CharlesC Says:

            Louis: Vampires pretending to be humans, pretending to be vampires.
            Claudia: How avant-garde.
            Interview with A Vampire

            Aren’t we all a bunch of “walking wounded”? Pass the kleenex. Sniff, sniff.
            Group hug, everyone!

    • NET Says:

      As someone said, times have changed, with the Venezuelan economy on the verge of collapse (as per Johnny Walking above), a $200/month real minimum wage if you can get it, and U.S.+ consumer prices/ + 30% inflation, except for Mercal, gasoline, some controlled medicines, etc. An individual might be able to change jobs on “principle” and survive, hundreds of thousands/perhaps millions cannot. Platitudes are nice, but they don’t fill the dinner plate for what is a large part of the Venezuelan population. And this does NOT mean Chavez (if alive)will win in October.l

      • Carolina Says:

        NET:

        That someone was me, and my comment had to do more with what drive us to make decisions.

        Many decisions in life are taken because of money, but also, many have to be taken for moral reasons. Those, in my experience, are the toughest.

        Also, when a decision is taken, regardless of why, one should just learn how to live with it and don’t cry over it. If you keep crying, it shows you took the wrong path and change.

        Enough said for me.

  21. dorisclubhipico Says:

    Ira,
    thanks for being honest,
    and clear in your convictions.
    Let the peacocks strut their holier than thou jargon ..
    At the end of the day,
    responsibilities to your near ones are what counts.
    cheers

    • firepigette Says:

      doriscluhipico,

      My daughter has been grateful everyday for the decision I took, which is part of my point.

      If we put money first, that’s what we will get.

      I am not saying I am a better person for it.I am not the ultimate judge of anybodies interior.I am simply saying that I think it will be hard to get rid of Chavismo unless we change our priorities.

      Chavismo has stayed in power largely through fear I think.

    • Carolina. Says:

      Imagine if one day, half, only half of the government workers quit…

    • dorisclubhipico Says:

      Life begins and ends with my family and close ones.
      I had never met chavismo in person,
      but we have had our days with empty growling tummies,
      and believe me, being hungry shouldn’t be a person’s option.
      But as I have often said –
      to each his own,
      or in fancy french –
      chaque a son gout
      cheers


  22. Let’s hope his account wasn’t hi-jacked.
    He is from the old school, and
    would require independent confirmation.
    If true, it is certainly an end I would not ever wish on anyone
    other than the one he is writing about.
    cheers

    Daniel Irvin “Dan” Rather, Jr. (born October 31, 1931) is an American journalist and the former news anchor for the CBS Evening News. He is now managing editor and anchor of the television news magazine Dan Rather Reports on the cable channel HDNet. Rather was anchor of the CBS Evening News for 24 years, from March 9, 1981, to March 9, 2005. He also contributed to CBS’s 60 Minutes. Rather became embroiled in controversy about a disputed news report involving the 2004 U.S. presidential election and subsequently left CBS Evening News in 2005, and he left the network altogether after 43 years in 2006.

    • GWEH Says:

      The source for Rather’s article is Hillary Clinton. This has been confirmed and verified and is a week old.

    • dorisclubhipico Says:

      with all due respect,
      Hilary is not close to Chavez, and
      could care less of his condition …
      cheers

      .The information and the quote come from a highly respected source close to Chavez and who is in a position to know his medical condition and history.’

      • CharlesC Says:

        I believe the source is Raul Castro and Raul
        definitely wants Maduro to replace Chavez-now!
        (Maduro will be visiting Cuba within days, I predict.)

      • Great White Says:

        With all due respect, you are wrong and silly.

      • Great White Says:

        It’s odd that Dan was given the leak but it’s confirmed and done. There is a relationship.

  23. johnny Walking Says:

    This is dedicated to all of the self-righteous above:

    As I wrote above, it takes an absolute lack of empathy and an incredible amount of self-righteousness to even consider judging those of our fellow Venezuelans who for any reason have to stay in that hell that our country has become, even so from a comfortable exile overseas (problems with you boss doesn’t count as having a terrible life, mind you), just because they happen to work for the government. And, yes, considering that most of us live in countries which afford us pretty much a very comfortable and normal life compared to what most Venezuelans have to endure, it boggles the mind that someone has the gall to judge a person, who for all practical purposes is – like most Venezuelans – in SURVIVAL MODE.

    It really takes a pair of big square balls or whatever you are equipped of to tell someone who lives in a place with no law, where public transportation and car traffic is a total chaos, with constant food shortages which forces him or her to search in multiple places for basic foodstuffs – not to mention MEDICATION, who are constantly afraid that they might lose their belongings or, worse, their life with each step that they take out of their homes (not that they are much safer there), who have to live with constant water and electricity interruptions (almost all of the country, except perhaps, Caracas, and even then…), JUST TO CITE A FEW EXAMPLES, that he or she must put their moral principles above all and resign their post to protest the actions of the dictator at the risk of their own wellbeing. Furthermore, this in a country that will be soon on the verge of economic collapse despite relatively high oil prices and where opportunities to find a decent job dwindle by the second.

    So, assuming that Ira’s niece doesn’t have the means to leave the country – as millions of Venezuelans, who I am sure would do it if given the chance – or if she DOESN’T WANT to leave at all, and if her only opportunity to make her ends meet is to work for the government, well, that doesn’t matter, she must quit her job because some dimwit living overseas says that is the moral thing to do. Gimme a break. This is exactly the sort of disconnect that Chavistas use against the opposition with much success, the same kind of disconnect that those turds that made that sorry-ass video exude constantly. This is the utter lack of empathy that those in the lower strata of Venezuelan society deeply feel about those with comfortable lives. And you know what? They are right because when you live in a society, you have to be concerned for every individual in that society. You just don’t freaking complain that you cannot go out at party until 3:00 am because you are afraid you might be mugged. You also think about the young boy or girl that live in a “barrio” who can be killed in an instant due to a “bala perdida.” They live in the same place in which you live, they are your COUNTRYMEN. Just because of that, they DESERVE your concern. Isn’t that what makes a society?

    And to finalize my rant, I will state what my beloved brother recently told me: it is not the same reading about it than LIVING it. So my prayers are for all those 29.000.000 that I left behind in the hope that God will spare them more suffering than what they already have experienced, and I will pray even more harder for cancer-ambulante to croak faster and with as much pain as possible, and for the inevitable implosion of that band of thugs that comprise chavismo.

    P.S.: I am not even bothering to contemplate responding to some of you – and you know who you are for very obvious reasons.

    • Carolina Says:

      Just out of curiosity JW, how old are you?

      • johnny Walking Says:

        If they gave Oscars for the most stupid question of all time, you would surely crush it. I mean, you would win every single one granted on the night.

        • Carolina Says:

          Really? Why? Explain me so if you care for stupid people like me.
          Oh right, you don’t care for stupid people. You just use them to show off how smart you are.

          Oh wait, that is Chavez’s way!

          You must be in your mid 20’s. Right?
          Your arrogance tells me so. You haven’t hit too many bumps in the road through life yet to humble down and you still believe that you have God grabbed by the beard. I just wanted to know who I am dealing with here.

          Also, if you are in your mid 20’s it means that you were a little cagaleche of 10 years or so when Chavez came to power, right?. It also means that you spent at least the second half of your life in a country ruled by a person without any moral values, where people can’t tell right from wrong, with very low self-esteem, and the other half in a corrupted country where people celebrated the vivismo criollo as a virtue.

          I think you are right there and you really have problems setting up your own moral values and I think I understand why.

          By the way, from your 29 million people, at least a third are children that don’t know nor care. From the 20 million left, one third are chavistas and they like things as they are. Another third is ni-ni and can care less with what’s going on. So that will leave you with a rough 7 million of people to part for the cancer-ambulante to croak faster.

          Just saying, smart pants.

          • johnny Walking Says:

            First, you are absolutely right: I don’t care at all.

            Second, you are wrong on all counts. Also, learn this: ad hominem attacks just don’t cut it, but I guess that is all that you have left when you can’t produce any valid argument points. What is your basis to question my moral values? You don’t know me, but you can understand why I have problems setting up my moral values?

            Third, according to you, children that “don’t know nor care,” ni-nis, and chavistas do not have to endure the suffering derived from the circumstances – mentioned above – in which they are living? So, according to you, since they are not part of the opposition, they just are not important? And you have the gall to call me arrogant?

            And lastly, what is your fixation with my age that made you ask me for it in three posts? Are you in love…?

            • Carolina Says:

              You are getting entangled in your own words. You said there were 29 million people praying for Chavez to kick the bucket. That’s not true.

              Se ond, you say you care for 29 million people and we all have to go and cry and be miserable and sympathize with them becuase they are our COUNTRYMEN. Except if someone is stupid like me of course. We don’t count because, how did you say it? “I don’t care at all”?

              You are a bully and you don’t care for people not as smart as you think you are. That’s enough for me to set at least a couple of your moral values.

              Now let me put it in another way: Chavez is not Venezuela’s biggest problem and him kicking the bucket is not going to be the solution. Sure it would help to unplugged it for things to start flowing again but if people don’t start standing up for themsleves, for what they believe is right and the only thing they do is to cry over the situation and feel sorry for themselves, Chavez will keep winning.

              He relies on the low self-esteem of the population. As I said somewhere along this tread, what do you think would happen if half of the government employees one decide not to wear the red shirts? Do you think the government will survive another PDVSA again, but three times bigger? I honestly don’t think it will.

              Anyway, what do I know. Maybe you are right. Maybe it’s much better to feel sorry for the 29 million of venezuelans from my confortable and cozy canadian chair. Lets cry.

            • Johnny Walking Says:

              “You are getting entangled in your own words. You said there were 29 million people praying for Chavez to kick the bucket. That’s not true.”

              Am I getting entangled in your own words? This is what I wrote: “So my prayers are for all those 29.000.000 that I left behind in the hope that God will spare them more suffering than what they already have experienced,…

              Not only you do not know how to read, but you have obviously an enormous difficulty understanding elegant prose. Everybody knows that in any given country there are groups of undesirable people. That is undeniable. I was simply expressing my sympathy for the inhabitants of a country belaguered with enormous problems that threaten its very own survival. Is this too intellectually challenging for you?

              “Se ond, you say you care for 29 million people and we all have to go and cry and be miserable and sympathize with them becuase they are our COUNTRYMEN. Except if someone is stupid like me of course. We don’t count because, how did you say it? “I don’t care at all”?”

              Well, yes, I don’t care at all for stupid questions. Nothing wrong with that.

              “You are a bully and you don’t care for people not as smart as you think you are. That’s enough for me to set at least a couple of your moral values.’

              I have been many things in my life, but never a bully. At least, I am not questioning your moral values, am I?

              “Now let me put it in another way: Chavez is not Venezuela’s biggest problem and him kicking the bucket is not going to be the solution. Sure it would help to unplugged it for things to start flowing again but if people don’t start standing up for themsleves, for what they believe is right and the only thing they do is to cry over the situation and feel sorry for themselves, Chavez will keep winning.”

              Anything else that me and everyone else don’t know?

              “He relies on the low self-esteem of the population. As I said somewhere along this tread, what do you think would happen if half of the government employees one decide not to wear the red shirts? Do you think the government will survive another PDVSA again, but three times bigger? I honestly don’t think it will. Anyway, what do I know. Maybe you are right. Maybe it’s much better to feel sorry for the 29 million of venezuelans from my confortable and cozy canadian chair. Lets cry.”

              I already have a headache.

    • Carolina Says:

      Never mind. Before you go on a venting rampant spass, I just wanted to know how old you were when Chavez came to power. As I said, just out of curiosity.

      You might want also to take a look at this group. Lets talk about principles versus life if you want.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

    • Aristo Says:

      In complete agreement.

    • syd Says:

      Well said, JW. Personalizing the chaos that affects others far away, when one’s own life is a breeze in comparison, is a type of narcissism. Thank you for the reminder.

    • ErneX Says:

      Let’s give that woman a medal for her heroic efforts of living inside the red bolivarian machine by gunpoint. Oh wait.

    • loroferoz Says:

      It’s not a matter of self-righteousness. It’s also a practical matter that’s directly related to the ethical problems she has. I would not tell this young woman to go and quit and throw the resignation letter right at her boss’s face. But seriously enough…

      She should be discreetly looking for another job, in another country if she can’t find it in Venezuela. Because she has an awful, unenviable job. No matter what they “pay” or what “career” opportunities might be. I can guess that the red shirt is actually one of these little things that come with the job. And there might come even bigger things. I can guess that she can be sidestepped or maybe fired for lack of enthusiasm. She knows. I don’t. But seriously

      • Johnny Walking Says:

        And now, she has an ethical problem??? Not a matter of self-righteousness??? Man, you need to smoke better stuff than what you are currently smoking!

        • loroferoz Says:

          I mean, to put it simply, that she should be prudent and seriously start looking for another job while she still has the present one. That she should not continue indefinitely where she is, because I DOUBT MOST SERIOUSLY THAT SHE HAS ANY REAL CAREER OPPORTUNITIES in a job that makes her wear a red shirt (and who knows whatever else!) and where it’s not inconceivable that she will be FIRED OR BYPASSED FOR LACK OF ENTHUSIASM for these little things. And yes, she has ethical problems because she hates the red shirt and whatever else… In this and other cases at least, ethical and practical are related.

          • Johnny Walking Says:

            She is a GERIATRIC SOCIAL WORKER, laboring in nursing homes, for God sakes! There aren’t many opportunities to perform this line of work outside the public sector! Due to the very nature of her job, advancement can for the most part occur in government institutions, as it should be. In fact, due to the inevitable aging of the population (yes, contrary to what some believe, Venezuela won’t be predominantly a country of youngsters forever), her particular skills will be VERY needed in the near future. She is a public servant, period.

            She has ethical problems, you say? Ok, then. Sit down for your lesson: ETHICS is considered a branch of philosophy that deals with the definition, recommendation, and defense of concepts that delineate clearly and unambiguously right and wrong behavior. In other words and as applied to any profession, a person that has a perfect understanding of the right and wrong courses of action in the performance of his or her duties. None of us can say that this lady has an ethical problem because we do not know how she performs her duties as a geriatric social worker. Nonetheless, her uncle’s praise about her abilities makes me suspect that her performance is outstanding.

            What she may have is a problem of CONSCIENCE (Wikipedia to make it easy for you: “an aptitude, faculty, intuition or judgment of the intellect that distinguishes right from wrong.”), which IS VERY DIFFERENT from having an ethical problem. In other words, she rightly questions being forced to attend political acts that have nothing to do with her job description.

            In sum, she OBJECTS having to wear a red shirt, but her ethics remain UNCOMPROMISED because in spite of adverse situations, she choses to perform dutifully a line of work that is clearly needed and can for the most part be performed in a government institution. She would clearly have a problem if her bosses asked her to compromise her ethics in the line of duty. Then, yes, in that situation she would have every reason to abandon ship. She is the very embodiment of a public servant and choses to remain so in adverse conditions. What is not to like? What is not to admire? What is not to praise? Are you even aware of the infinite amount of obstacles that a social worker in Venezuela has to face to perform his/her work and effectively help those who need his/her help? Even more so if your target population is the geriatric one? Why am I asking? Of course, you don’t!

            I will leave you to chew on this little piece of wisdom: “PERSONALIZING THE CHAOS THAT AFFECTS OTHERS FAR AWAY, WHEN ONE’S OWN LIFE IS A BREEZE IN COMPARISON, IS A TYPE OF NARCISSISM.” So, my recommendation is this: be humble and learn to wear someone else’s shoes. It’s called empathy. When you learn this, you will find yourself thinking twice about judging people. Having said that, you can go ahead and judge Thugo all you want. I won’t disagree on that one.

            P.S.: I won’t even consider giving the guy down below the gift of a graphic depiction of the popular implement used by millions of people around the world to carry their groceries home.

            • loroferoz Says:

              Maybe you don’t get what I am saying. That her having ethical issues because of the red shirt (and who knows, other things)… is caused by her employers being unethical, unprofessional people who care more about enthusiasm for the Revolution than professional behavior…

              Therefore… her JOB STABILITY and CAREER OPPORTUNITIES might NOT be AS SOUND AS WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK. Not enough to treasure that job, or not to think of changing it should the opportunity present itself.

              Red shirts and political meetings might only be the tip of the iceberg. It’s praiseworthy to be a geriatric social worker. But it might not be convenient for her to do it where she does, both psychologically and professionally. The only thing that might change this situation is a change in management. Meaning October 7, 2012 or maybe before. So I can suggest to Venezuelans in the same situation to grow a real pair and start campaigning for a change in management of Venezuela, covertly or overtly.

        • Kepler Says:

          What? For you “ethical” is only if it doesn’t cost?

          I would also like to know your age because unlike Carolina I don’t think only very young people can be like that and it is not purely a sign of “immaturity”. You have ethics or you don’t.

  24. Great White Says:

    Syd, come out of the closet dear.

  25. Great White Says:

    But do speak with the devil first before you put foot in mouth again

  26. Ira Says:

    Well, I don’t see how revealing this could hurt anything, but she’s a geriatric social worker, working in nursing homes.

    It’s not like she’s a gold appraiser making money off VZ gold mines.

    • CharlesC Says:

      Ok, nobody is going to say it- Nelson Bocaranda
      feeling stupid-hands off to Dan Rather?

      • G.W.E.J. Says:

        Not really … Nelson is the man. Dan Rather got the tip from HRC – see above. Rather has leaked for HRC before. The info is coming from multiple sources (western intelligence agencies) – they are finally tuned in.

      • G.W.E.H. Says:

        A big hello to Eva Gollinger!

        • rojorojito Says:

          wow, GWEH!!! You know people in high places!!! Is there an online application to become your friend??? I pay whatever.

          • CharlesC Says:

            Send your application to Raul (and be available for
            a “physical exam” performed by Raul)

            • syd Says:

              GWEH has already had his physical by Raúl. That’s what has him all riled up, spewing crap.

    • syd Says:

      That’s interesting, Ira. Your niece must find the job fulfilling, irrespective of the larger political stage that surrounds her. If so, I can imagine that there would not be enough of an incentive for her to make a change. And why should she, if she doesn’t feel the need?

      I believe that you normally change when you’re ready. And if you’re forced to change before then, you’ll manage — in time.

      This is OT, but I was just in Home Depot this evening. At the cash register was a 60-something, wearing a bandanna over her head, a few wisps of what looked like chemo hair, peeking out. I asked her how she liked working at HD. Said she loved it, that she’d been a nurse for 25 years in a nursing home, but got sick of the politics. Since she loves people, she applied and got the job she now has — a complete switch at 60. She inspired me. I’m sure there are many others like that

    • johnny Walking Says:

      A very honorable, difficult, and enriching profession. People like her are invaluable.

      • Ira Says:

        That’s what has tortured my wife, me and others in the family so much.

        Who the hell feels the calling to do this kind of work in the first place? And she has to dress up in red for the costume party every time the Chavistas order it? And we’re not talking about earning big money here.

        It’s as if the Chavistas dare to claim that they have a monopoly on caring and social justice–yet they are willing, in a HEARTBEAT, to fire someone who really cares about her work, just because she hates Chavez.

        So I ask all of the people here who judged her critically, would you say that she DID stand up her for beliefs, albeit that we’re talking about beliefs that have nothing to do with politics?

        Yeah, some of the guys here are so quick to judge, and they know nothing about people’s individual circumstances.

        • Johnny Walking Says:

          “Who the hell feels the calling to do this kind of work in the first place?”

          Superior human beings, no doubt. That is why I have always respected, admired and loved nurses. They have to endure a lot, and most of them do it very lovingly. I can testify for that. ignore the self-righteous. They will never, ever, measure up to someone that embodies the true definition of a public servant. Chavez and chavismo will pass, but people like her represent the best that any country can offer. There is no sufficient honor that can be bestowed on her, because she is and will be on her own right a honorable person for the rest of her life.

        • Kepler Says:

          She can very well say she won’t be doing it and they should fire her.
          I have friends and relatives (sister, a couple of cousins) who work in the hospitals and they rejected to wear those things.
          One of them,doctor, did go, GO to one march in 2004 and there she vomited and left, she felt sick.
          When they returned the boss asked her why she had left. She said she couldn’t take that shit, she is not Chavista and then she said very loud: “despídeme si te da la gana, pero yo trabajo aquí por vocación, yo no soy chavista ni lo seré”.

          She hasn’t been fired. She keeps talking badly about the government with the patients and I have told her to leave the hospital. She says she doesn’t do it – not for the bloody house, not for anything like that but because she likes to help the poor people going there. One left of her own account and found a job in the private sector, more stressing hours but she is happier now. The others – one technician, one nurse, one internist- are still there and openly say they are oppo. They are a thorn for the Chavistas and there is tension but at least they are free and they are not into propaganda for the regime.
          The hospitals can’t fire them because they are the best and hospitals are desperate to find enough people who can do the job right.

          Another relative of mine was working in another sector and was fired indeed. He went to be selling FUCKING JALEA DE MANGO to survive initially even if he had a university study and had a good job before. He is now doing short jobs for other private companies and it is a hard time, but he is not sorry for not behaving like an ape and wearing those fucking shirts.

          People like your relative are making life more difficult for the people who have the courage to say where they stand.

          • syd Says:

            choices in life are very personal and individualistic, Kepler. Just like yours was to leave Venezuela, presumably before Chávez began his reign. Also, there is a lot of background information that is missing from the various claims made from superior moral grounds. We don’t know if these superior human beings already had a roof over the heads and a family member to support them — as a fallback. We don’t know if these superior moral beings wanted to leave the politicized job for other reasons as well. There are many factors involved. Ira’s niece should have the FREEDOM to make her own decisions, to accept the politics and bite the bullet, until such time that the political nonsense falls by the wayside, or take off for an unknown destiny.

            All this points to the fact that Capriles was indeed the most mature of the pre-candidates, when he made it one of his platform policies not to step on chavista and ni-ni toes. Everyone’s welcome to the fold — after Chávez, God willing.

          • syd Says:

            Another thing, Kep. Several commenters here have suggested that Ira’s niece risk her job by not attending the chavista red-T-shirted carnivals, that it’s a matter of ethics, integrity or whatever.

            You have highlighted your family members who have said “NO” to the moral suasion by chavistas on employees so that they attend these red-T-shirted carnivals.

            For you, that is courage to say where they stand. I see. So your family members are disgusted about wearing red T-shirts and can easily say NO. But they are still receiving a paycheck from the government that is immoral in so many other ways.

            Where do you draw the line — on courage, that is? Why don’t your family members leave the job entirely, for if they feel that wearing red T-shirts compromises their integrity, hey, what about standing on their two feet, completely outside that poisonous environment. And you know, that the poison goes beyond the red T-shirts.

            • Kepler Says:

              A couple of them have done so. I have discussed this with the others and I have told them they should leave at as well, but they have another point:
              The ones who have stated do speak very openly about how they reject the government.

              And one thing is the government and the other is the state (even if this difference does not seem to be clear for most Venezuelans). As I said: they could earn better by not working for a public hospital. They are working in a public hospital and helping poor people who would get crappier service otherwise. They talk quite openly to those people about how crappy the government is, which is a complete headache to the hospital directors and leads to a lot of discussions. Is that worse than working in the “private” sector and being isolated from the rest of Venezuela and not dealing with any Chavista unless it’s “the cleaning lady”? Are doctors working in Clínica El Ávila alone and going from there to their cocoon in Eastern Caracas on a higher ethical ground? I am not so sure.

              What would they manage to do if they left completely the public hospitals? Will they hurt more the government or Venezuela? Do you expect then that poor people in need of an operation would then turn to the opposition just because the public hospitals are collapsing more than they do already?

              Is someone who pays taxes to the Venezuelan state now but only talks about politics to his elite friends in Eastern Caracas more of an ethical person?

              I am honestly not so sure.

              I don’t know if it is clear to you how isolated a lot of people in these English speaking blogs have been vis-a-vis 90% of Venezuela’s population.
              Talking to the cleaning lady does not count.


  27. Entirely off-topic….
    I wondered why gweh was getting all that flack,
    and then I chanced on this article, about a
    hunter who got highlighted not by HOLA, but by Spiegel –

    “I’m sorry. I was wrong and it won’t happen again,” the 74-year-old Juan Carlos assured Spaniards in a brief televised statement last Wednesday, looking like a boy whose mother had just caught him committing a prank.

    “An unprecedented gesture,” a columnist with the Madrid daily El País called the royal words. The people had learned that the KING had been HUNTING ELEPHANTS in BOTSWANA, because he had broken his hip at night and had to be flown home for surgery. As Spanish citizens learned from the papers, he had reportedly been the guest of a Saudi Arabian magnate, and was accompanied by a German woman, a member of the aristocracy who is said to be very close to him
    …..
    On the island of Mallorca, where the royal family has its summer residence, there were rumors of a love affair between the monarch and a local decorator. Residents of the Spanish capital whispered that their rey, or king, would often drive his motorcycle through the streets at night, unrecognizable in his black leather outfit and helmet, to disappear into the garage of a former beauty queen.

    cheers


  28. Oh, I forget –
    74 and still actively hunting!
    cheers

    • NET Says:

      But still actively riding??? (a motorcycle… I mean…may be difficult now with a bad hip!!???).

    • dorisclubhipico Says:

      Heh, heh,
      Sorry Net,
      I should have said
      74 and still actively serviced…
      tongue in cheek…. tongue in cheek…
      cheers

      • NET Says:

        Loyal subjects should be at the service of their King–especially the “fairest of them all” (beauty queens).


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