Chavez Signs New Labor Bill, But Details Unkown

April 30, 2012

In a well staged ceremony, up to the point where President Hugo Chavez broke down at the very end (see video above), the Venezuelan President signed into Law one of the most important Bills for the Venezuelan economy: The Labor Bill. A few hours after it was signed, we still know little about it, except for some of the tweets by the President and leaks of drafts of the document, which we still don’t know whether they contain what was approved in the end.and signed into Law by the President.

Despite this, Chavista unions celebrated without knowing the details, and Government officials claimed that no Bill had ever been consulted so much, despite nobody knowing its contents.

This is in contrast with the three way committee of Workers, Government and the Private Sector, which hammered out a new Bill in 1998, led by Teodoro Petkoff.  A Bill that eliminated the retroactivity of severance pay, which studies had shown was the main limitation in creating jobs at the time. But much like the President’s health treatment (and I am not referring to this), Chavismo does not believe in calculations and techniques, they do everything by the seat of their pants, always hoping and asking for miracles, of which they have had a few. But maybe Chavez’ emotions reveal that a huge miracle is needed now.

Curiously, it was only the Government which did not comply with the 1998 Labor Bill, from its mandate to create pension funds with workers contributions, to that of paying off severance for each worker every year into a trust. But, despite this, the Chavez administration passed this new Bill, looking for votes, which reportedly reduces the work week from 44 hours to 40 (reportedly by saying that if you work Saturdays, you no longer do, other workers remain on the same 40 hour work week) and gives two years paid maternity leave, even if you adopt. But the Government is, once again, unlikely to be able to comply with the1 Bill, given its higher demands on the national budget.

But studies show that retroactivity, whereby you get paid severance for all the years you worked at the last salary you made, is simply bad for the Government and companies in an inflationary environment like we have, as shown below:

Basically, the bars show the impact of the law on a worker with 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25 years under the current law or with the new Bill with o% (gray), 10% (blue), 15% (gray) and 25% (black) inflation. The number on top of each bar is the number of paid days that each worker would have to take home if he quits (twice if he is fired). As you can see, it simply gets worse the higher the inflation, which with something like today’s inflation is triple what it would be under “normal” inflation.  But the Chavez Government still believes that inflation is to the lack of supply of goods, not to the excess of money their generous printing has generated.

But the biggest head fake in the law, is that none of this will need to be implemented for one year. A full year to get rid of workers and implement measures, never mind that the elections are in October.

Of course, the whole thing is illegal anyway, as it is being approved under a law to deal with the emergency with the flooding and the housing problem, which is quite a stretch, but laws and rules is not what Chavismo is all about.

Oh yeah! Chavez said the Bill ends what he calls “Tercerizacion”, the local word for outsourcing. I am not sure how it manages to do that, but I have to ask: What will he do with the Cuban workers? After all, that is all he does with the Cubans: hire a Cuban company or the Government directly, and give the workers as little as possible. Once their “tour of duty” is done, they are shipped back home, but their company keeps providing the same service, without the workers getting the direct benefits.

But if it is “socialist” and Cuban outsourcing, it must be all right. The Bill will surely provide for that.

98 Responses to “Chavez Signs New Labor Bill, But Details Unkown”

  1. ErneX Says:

    He also announced he plans to take Venezuela out of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

  2. moctavio Says:

    I imagine they will celebrate the anniversay of that as “Non-human Rights day”

    • Rojorojito Says:

      Wow!!! You predicted he was going to be dead but he was passing a great law instead. Check your sources, buddy. This is the best way not to look like an ass. Venceremos!!!

      • moctavio Says:

        Yeah, I particularly like how he cried, broke down, a real man, and whatever happened to his old verbose self. he will be dead soon, dont worry, funny how he never moved much,the tears, the toast to life, the Christ, for Christ’s sake, you really believe all his BS? The only ass here is you. You said 2030, I say 2070, only 116 years old and still going, no? I may be off by a few weeks, you will be off by YEARS!!!

        • Rojorojito Says:

          The guy is going thru the last stages of radiotherapy and had the heart to stop his rest to talk to his people (not you) and deliver a great law. Yes, he was moved, but because of the love he feels from all his people ( not you). He will be back from cuba ready to kick some skinny mahunche ass, just you wait. Venceremos!!!

          • moctavio Says:

            Spoken like a true fanatic, a great law you dont know the details of, are you srious?

          • Ira Says:

            The only thing he’s kicking is the can.

            Contrary to Chavista belief, Chavez is not God, and he will indeed die shortly.

          • gweh Says:

            That’s correct, his heart will stop in four to five weeks delivering a great blow to his people. I am not moved and feel no sympathy towards him. He may return from Cuba very skinny in a casket. You wait.

          • Carolina Says:

            Your “great law” just took us back to the 4th republic that you so much despise, but you seem not to question that.

        • NET Says:

          At first glance, “Rojorojito” may be one of us, and may even know us personally, since he talks about our “skinny asses.” But, on closer examination, no, since he can’t spell “majunche”, he must be just another fat-ass International Leftist Boliburgues sitting in his nice safe workable capitalist democracy spouting out unworkable Marxist ideas for the rest of the world!!

      • Isa Says:

        Hey! The fascist is back, gloating about Chavez fascism, aren’t you a piece of work Rojo, the only one that has his head up the you know what here its you, justifying illegalities, dictatorships and fascism. Good Riddance boy.

      • g Says:

        Four to five weeks!

      • Paal Says:

        Everytime I hear “Venceremos!” I think of a Cuban mother offering her 17 year old daughter to an 80-year old foreigner. A great “victory” indeed. 50 years after the revolution started I’m wondering exactly what victory you are trying to achieve. People drinking their piss for a week on a raft to escape? No internet access? Working a week to buy a toothbrush? How big is that for a happiness sum?

    • NET Says:

      Importantly, Chavez, after criticizing those who unjustly criticize him for dictating judicial decisions, in effect ordered the Venezuelan Supreme Court to rule that his illegally decreed Labor Law be deemed Organic, which, if they so rule, is just piling on another illegality, since this “Organic” law requires a 2/3 majority of the Asamblea.

  3. johnbarnardblog Says:

    He looks horrible. The man should retire and convalesce.

  4. ErneX Says:

    People are making jokes and comments on that weird shadow that runs behind Chávez at 3:23 on the embedded video of this post “de que vuelan vuelan” they say.

    • ErneX Says:

      You can also hear him ask “¿ya?” at the end of the video, asking if they took him out of air already.

    • metodex Says:

      I hadn’t noticed the shadow. It’s bloody creepy, i tell you that,specially after saying “viva la vida,viva la patria” etc. Chills down my spine and all, lol.

      • Carolina Says:

        Creepy indeed. Gave me shivers.

      • Kepler Says:

        Oh, come on, guys! I didn’t know you were so incredibly superstitious!

        • metodex Says:

          Kepler im not superstitious man,but seriously? a shadow behind him after toasting for life? It’s either creepy ironically funny.

          • metodex Says:

            creepy OR ironically funny

          • Kepler Says:

            Sí, sí…you reminded me two PhD math students in Germany who came from Malawi. They were telling me: yeah, we know, we are all into science and so, but when we go back home and walked back to the village and see on the road a branch in a strange position we can’t prevent but circumvent it because we are afraid that after all the Evil Eye was set there against us :-)
            De que vuelan vuelan, pues. :-)

            • metodex Says:

              Lol, superstitious or not, some things can still frighten you, like the dark.
              Of course nothing scares me like those silent motorcycles malandros use. They just come out of nowhere and you can only hear the engine slowing down and a “Quieto mamaguevo”! it all happens so fast. i still have dreams about it lol.

  5. Lobo Says:

    Interesting Maduro standing at attention on the side, and not sitting with the others. I know he was the head of the LOT committee, but this seems sybolic of algo. He will be named VP soon….

  6. ErneX Says:

    Complete chaos at La Planta prison

  7. syd Says:

    I expect the next canary will sing in a few days.

  8. metodex Says:

    The whole thing seemes like a big goodbye speech. When he signed the law he was sweating,his hands shaking, holding back feelings and probably in pain. This could’ve been one or his absolute last action as president.Maybe he won’t be PSUV’s candidate,maybe he will die, maybe he won’t.

    Im not a prediction guy but i swear my heart tells me this is one of chavez’s last actions as president. My heart is rarely right so we’ll see. Good post Miguelin,but i recommend not feeding the trolls, specially if they sound like they watch VTV all day.

  9. LT Says:

    off topic but related: Cuba is not the only country that makes money off of “workers” it sends to work in other countries. North Korea has been sending North Koreans to work for basically for free in work camps in Siberia and collecting money for it. See:

    Amazing. But there are many credible reports on the internet and youtube. This is one of the more entertaining videos.

  10. Kepler Says:

    How is our campaign going on in Paraguaná? How many new activists do we have in 800000-inhabitants Maturín? Do we have enough witnesses in Quíbor and Acarigua?
    What are our national leaders saying about Trujillo’s problems? How many flyers are we distributing in Apure?

  11. Kepler Says:

    Another thing: did Chávez say he would be in Cuba SEVERAL WEEKS?

  12. gweh Says:

    My papaya plants are all ripe and ready for harvesting. Gonna have to make some dulce de lechosa

    • Bruni Says:

      You have it all wrong GWEH. Dulce de Lechosa is made with green papayas…

      • gweh Says:

        You may be correct by the old Cuban lady mixes both and I prefer ripe

        • Bruni Says:

          Mine is an old recipe…anyways, nobody liked Dulce de Lechoza until Chávez popularized it. The great tragedy of Vzla is that he ended up President instead of marketing guru.

          • syd Says:

            Bruni, HCF *was* a marketing guru … of a curious product called the revolution. But here’s why he could never top George Foreman.

            Whereas George seemingly loves people and still seeks to add believers to his grill, Hugo and/or the requirements of the revolution sought to divide a population in order to conquer. That, alone, meant a loss in market share.

            Whereas George’s product apparently still delivers satisfaction to its users, Hugo’s quality control never matched his sales pitch. In time, even the diehard followers of his product fell by the wayside.

            Whereas George seemingly is open, Hugo’s buffoonery and cynicism covered a hidden agenda.

            The question is, if the nature of Hugo’s product had been different, say, a baseball franchise, would that have made a difference? Would the positive requirements of a baseball franchise have overridden Hugo’s true nature?

            Or, would Hugo’s nature have taken over to the extent that he would have gummed up that opportunity, as well?

    • metodex Says:

      Ok that’s it, can anybody explain what the “dulce de lechosa” joke is all about? Im from Maracaibo and i don’t know,enlighten me please!

  13. David Cheever Says:

    The rumor has it that he never left Cuba. He had his people video the speech from a room in Cuba and lied to his people again. He is afraid the people in Venezuela will realize that the country is on “autopilot” and no body is in the cockpit.

    • moctavio Says:

      That;s hard to believe, a lot of people in that room were at the National Assembly an hour later voting on his permission, including Diosdado Cabello, the President of the Assembly, who refuses to go to Cuba.


      • Which is one of the reasons Cuba doesn’t endorse him as possible candidate if Chávez is not the one. They endorse Maduro (as well as Russia, Iran, and China) because they think he (Maduro) will keep the good business relations they have with Venezuela; Cabello (rumors say) wants to cut them with Cuba and Iran, and maintain those with Chna and Rusia, and re-include the US. Basically, Cabello is supossed to be a Communist “a la China”:

        • metodex Says:

          Makes sense Michel, Diosdado is all about the big bucks, he don’t care about ideologic allegiances.

  14. Rafael V. Lozano Moreno Says:

    Michael, unfortunately the Labour Act, if we bring more work than we, immediate consequences:
    1 Dismissals of workers oldest companies.
    2 The increase of informal workers, or self, outside the social security and no contractual benefits, or outsourced to the Cuban.
    3 Close to many small and medium enterprises, which can not support the adefecio outlined in the Act
    4 But submission to the Government, which seeks to set the Cuban Communism at all costs.

  15. syd Says:

    GWEH: You’re like an anti-Chavez TROLL with no clue.

    • metodex Says:

      He should….Get a Clue….

      • syd Says:

        Oh God, don’t give the other troll any ideas. All we need are both ends of the delusion spectrum.

        • tony Says:

          GWEH, please, Shut up!!! You come here and write small sentences with big predictions. If I could only get a penny for each of your predictions that did not come to pass I would have retired by now. You manage to annoy both Chavistas and anti-Chavistas equally. That says a lot.

        • syd Says:

          “eres una Pendeja”

          boo-hoo.

  16. Dr. Faustus Says:

    “Of course, the whole thing is illegal anyway, as it is being approved under a law to deal with the emergency with the flooding and the housing problem, which is quite a stretch, but laws and rules is not what Chavismo is all about.”

    Yes, that’s quite right. The insanity of it all boggles the mind. Here you have an extremely important law being inacted by the edict of one man, having enormous future ramifications to the Venezuelan economy, with virtually no input from any elected officials. No give and take,…nothing. This all due to the Enabling Law being passed because of some flooding having taken place over two years ago. Two years. Flooding. A lot of water which has since dried-up. Er, might I suggest that this is not how a democracy is supposed to work.

    • moctavio Says:

      Faustus, or shoul I say Dr. , on top of that the Enabling law is also illegal as it was approved by the outgoing Assembly after the new one was elected to allow Chavez to legislate after their term expired. Pile, after pile, after pile.

  17. syd Says:

    It’s better than democracy. According to narcoleptic Hanson, Europe and the US will wish they had the Venezuelan model of government (…)

    http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=228803

  18. Johnny Walking Says:

    Yep. The situation is so desperate there that I fear Venezuela will have soon an unstoppable wave of illegal immigration.

  19. gweh Says:

    So Garcia-Carneiro and Aponte are domino pals…very close. Wonder what G-C’s fate will be

  20. moctavio Says:

    Watch the language please, no insulting.

    • Johnny Walking Says:

      I would like to suggest to you that you ban anyone who engages in insulting. Right now, there is one with you can begin the banning.

      • moctavio Says:

        I am against banning people, it’s a long story. I have only banned two people in almost ten years. GWEH has apologized and I will remove the comments.

        • deananash Says:

          Miguel, you’re nothing but class. Happy belated birthday. I’m sorry you didn’t get your wish. My birthday is mid-summer, hopefully I’ll get my wish. (No need to keep it a secret – I want Chavez to receive his eternal reward, immediately.)

        • Johnny Walking Says:

          Fair enough. Happy birthday, by the way. Surely, the best of times.

        • syd Says:

          I apologize as well. And I will not call anyone a troll … unless they’re annoying chavistas.

  21. gweh Says:

    Syd, please explain what is your problem with me. Manup or woman up. I don’t know you and have never attacked you. Have we met?

  22. Antonio Says:

    I don’t see how Venezuela can remain an active member of the OAS after withdrawing from the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. One is an integral part of the other. Even if Venezuela is excluded from the OAS by its other member states, the obligations resulting from the various OAS agreements remain. Cuba was under human rights scrutiny even during the time when it was an excluded member of the OAS. Chavez and others will be answerable for any violation of human rights in Venezuela even if the Country withdraws from the organization. Not the it maters much because Chavez will probably never have to face an earthly tribunal.

  23. syd Says:

    The only thing I know is that you could be making a fortune with this highly classified information, known only to CIA operatives and Cuban G2′s. Instead, you release that information here, on the comments section of Miguel’s blog, with no other expectation than deep-seated admiration for the depth and breadth of your knowledge networks. Therefore, allow me to speak for my fellow travellers on this turnip truck, when I say that we are very lucky to have you as a distinguished and most informed visitor.


  24. [...] This time he actually showed up in public, to sign a new labor law (details at the link) which will increase the cost of hiring people in Venezuela. The details of the law are not known. [...]

  25. CharlesC Says:

    Greetings to all(-first of month I am busy)Just a thought for the day-actually, for every day. I keep asking myself. Why am I not hearing what the Venezuelan people have to say, what do the Venezuelan people want?
    Re.George Bush saying “Can you hear me now?”
    And, I don’t think Chavez is listening to el pueblo? Chavez listens to Fidel.
    And, I have heard enough of Fidel and Cuba, how about you?
    Dammit, what is the people of Venezuela’s agenda- on any given day?
    Where are people demanding to know the truth about the narcogenerals and
    the money laundering, drug trafficking, and on and on..

    • syd Says:

      try reading the Venezuelan newspapers, Charles, rather than depend on your Cuban friends in Florida for information, or the comments on this site, for that matter. By reading several newspapers, the opinions therein, and even the rag Noticiero Digital, you’ll slowly but surely gain the answers you need on what Venezuelans think of a wide variety of topics.

      • CharlesC Says:

        Read them everyday, Syd. (Note “them” as in “plural”) As to Cuban friends in Florida- yes- they know “what the game is all about” or as some say “they can read between the lines”.
        Actually, my point is this.I keep insisting that Venezuelans don’t keep getting distracted from important issues-and I also am critical of the Press and bloggers. May I refer you to a new article at Caracas Chronicles posted today-http://caracaschronicles.com/2012/05/02/capriles-one-two-punch-gets-lost-in-the-newscycle/
        I am glad to see Gustavo back and this is a very timely, important topic, agreed.
        Anyway, maybe I am a bit slow but I know what quite a few Venezuelans think both from far and near. I appreciate your concern for my education
        and if there is any way I can help you please let me know as well..

      • syd Says:

        If you read *them* Charles, why are you asking these questions:
        Why am I not hearing what the Venezuelan people have to say, what do the Venezuelan people want?…what is the people of Venezuela’s agenda- on any given day…Where are people demanding to know the truth about the narcogenerals and
        the money laundering, drug trafficking, and on and on..?

        There’s a word for that, but decency bars me from stating it.

        And no, I don’t take blogs as seriously as you do. For I can smell the difference between earnest presenters of an issue and the storytellers.

        • CharlesC Says:

          Way to go, Syd. You hack-attacked me.
          What is so wrong with wanting the press to continue digging for information about the narcogenerals- and what is so wrong with urging people to keep asking questions about money-laundering?
          How could say that just the act of asking- is “some form of indecency”
          and as you hint an urge to be a “storyteller” of some sort.
          I honestly don’t get it and I honestly am not nor have ever been a chavista-
          I will admit to being rather “out there’ at times and have apologized to you -and yes- I still do it- but, do you really want to hurt me as if I am your
          designated opponent. Just to inform you of the truth- when you first arrived here-(I have not been here forever-but I think I was here first)I was so impressed. You can impress me every day- but not this particular post-
          some others back up the line -I think are great..
          Anyway, I can only guess this post was a provocation more than
          anything else. If that is the case, why do you think something worth your time
          and effort will result from this “hack-attack”?
          Oh, yes. I have for many years been a vocal opponent of Castro. Yet, I find
          the biology,flora, of Cuba very interesting. And, I have always liked some of
          the music,food..I have no family there, though, but I really feel sad for the suffering poor there. I have been doing business for years with several Cuban-US residents and they’re all hard workers. Well, I see I am off on another topic and that will probably provoke another outburst from you, so, I’ll stop..

          • CharlesC Says:

            Syd, have you ever been to Las Trincheras
            (aguas termales)? How about accupuncture?
            I get treatments every day for pain, it helps…

        • syd Says:

          The violin section sounds pitiful, Charles.

          As to your so-called ‘slowness’, it’s not evident when you copy another’s comment verbatim (from CC) and bring it here, as though it was your own thought. Or when you deflect the direction of the thread to inject your musical offerings. Or when you manipulate your way out of a paper bag, when you’re called on.

          Pitiful.

          • CharlesC Says:

            Syd- it’s me again. Those comments are mine- I changed to a different name at CC a couple of months ago.
            You are right though- it was a “world’s smallest violin” type of answer.
            I promise not to add any more music, OK. As to my health-Syd- I have died more times than you can imagine-my heart works at less than 20% on a good day. I am hoping to get a VAD (left ventricular assist device) and be placed on a waiting list for another heart.
            As for pain- rhematoid arthritis -continuous pain. Few other issues-all physical. As for psychological- I take no meds for anxiety, depression, etc.
            I do take mild sleeping pill that is not much good…
            And, I try to maintain several businesses. Only take off to visit doctors, or occasional restaurants. Stopped travelling..(I do shipping and get others great deals on travel..I still go to airport at least 3 times a week-sometimes 3 or more times in a day or night..)
            You are right -these few blogs are for me a bit social.I am listening to your advice and adjusting my errors. I can learn, sometimes slowlyP.S. I am not asking you to give up being a pain in the neck.
            You are more “professional” and incorporated with larger group of thinking people. I believe I am and have been rather “solo’…

        • syd Says:

          You mean you have two aliases on CC? Which is the other one, btw?

          Either way, using two aliases on a blog makes you suspect. Add pitiful to your copy and paste of comments from one blog to another.

          As far as your pity-party needs, Charles, your medical history is of absolutely no interest to a blog that devotes itself to the analysis of Venezuelan politics. Get a clue. And find the blog that will alleviate your social needs while providing a theatre for your poor-me health issues. Many on this blog have had their share of major health issues, but we battle on regardless, rather than look for sympathy, as you repeatedly do. Just pitiful.

  26. CharlesC Says:

    I was speaking with some Cuban friends who are long-time residents of US and joked maybe there should be a Cuban Friends of Venezuela group started and
    try to get members actually who live in Cuba-Yoani Sanchez for example who would write about the need to free Venezuela from the Cuban military and Cuban intelligence that keep the puppet Chavez in power, don’t you think so?
    What is it going to take to wake up the Venezuelan people?

    • CharlesC Says:

      So Chavez goes to a party with Fidel; and buys the idea to allow
      cubans to cannibalize Venezuela. This has only increased year after
      year under Chavez.

  27. CharlesC Says:

    Hello Venezuelan people. Do you really love the cubans that much, so much you want to be just like them?Doesn’t it make you feel so wonderful-everytime Chavez departs Cuba to return to Venezuela-Raul always sends his love.
    And, Chavez has to sneak away or Fidel will try and board and come to see the people who love him so much inVenezuela.
    Don’t you just love it -Venezuelan military taking orders from Cuba!
    A venezuelan president who licks the boots of Fidel Castro-ain’t that special?Just like a dream!
    Repeat after me” Venzuelan people, fear not! Castro is with you!”

    • NET Says:

      Charles, all of your previous reflections and frustrations are valid As recently as the mid-1930′s, according to knowledgeable historian Guillermo Moron, 90% (as I recall) of Venezuelans couldn’t read or write. Then came “the Devil’s Excrement” big-time, and economic development, aided by large-scale European immigration (Caracas in 1960 was 50% first/second generation European immigrant ancestry). The “Excrement” was used for some valid programs, many disastrous ones (the Ciudad Guayana iron/aluminum complexes, for example), tremendous corruption (but nothing like that of the Chavez regime, which would even put the Africans to shame), and many social hand-out programs with little citizen taxation. All of this resulted in financial/economic distress beginning with the early 1980′s, and worsened by the most incredible incompetence of the last 12 Chavista years, to arrive at the basic financial/economic ruin of the Country today. Today’s Venezuelan in general is lucky to make a Minimum Wage of Bs. 1800, which divided by a real exchange rate of Bs. 9/$, is one of the lowest in the Region. More than 50% are unemployed by modern Western calculations (part-time, street vendors, street odd jobbers, all with no social benefits, are considered unemployed, and make up some 50% of the Venezuelan work-age population, plus an 8% Government underestimated “unemployment”). Free public healthcare is understaffed, with often unworkable equipment and no medical supplies. A similar condition exists for public education, public safety, infrastructure, etc. Today’s Venezuelan is mainly/only worried about day-to-day survival, Cuba, narco-generals, etc. are far from his/her mind as they line up to buy heavily subsidized basic foodstuffs, collect their “Mision” public handouts, register for the free dwelling which will never come. They have become beggars of the State, with a lying/thieving/wealthy Military/insider elite promising them everything and paying them to march and vote for the “Revolution”.

      • CharlesC Says:

        I agree with your historical description Sr. NET. Thank you.
        I have a word for you to ponder ‘cannibalization”- not in the literal, physical
        sense. But, Chavez and his friends see everything as a feast for themselves to plunder and exploit and they always use the “front”technique,excuse of
        “oh, this is for el pueblo”- and el pueblo ends up fighting for, standing in long lines for crumbs…

        • NET Says:

          The “pueblo” is simply exploited by their deceivers, as it always has been throughout history, IF: it is sufficiently un/under educated (as it is in Venezuela); it hasn’t yet really broken out of its historically exploited mode (first, Spanish colonialism, lately Central Government domination, as in Venezuela); and so long as it continues to believe in a “man on a white (in Chavez’s case black) horse” as its savior (as in Venezuela).

    • megaescualidus Says:

      Hello Venezuelan people
      Hello CharlesC wherever-you’re-from

      Do you really love the cubans that much, so much you want to be just like them?
      Not really. Some of us actually pity the cuban people living in Cuba who’ve been driven poor for the last 50+ years

      Doesn’t it make you feel so wonderful-everytime Chavez departs Cuba to return to Venezuela-Raul always sends his love.
      I don’t know about other Venezuelans, but it actually makes me feel wonderful when HC departs Venezuela for Cuba to get yet another cancer treatment, which, in my mind means his illness is advancing.

      Don’t you just love it -Venezuelan military taking orders from Cuba!
      By and large the FAN high ranking officers have been, and now more than ever are, a band of corrupt government officials in for an easy buck to be made from whichever deal precisely their rank gives them access to. That for the last 12+ years they have had to follow orders from foreign military officers is just another requisite for them to get access to the quick and easy buck. Really, nothing new under the sun. Just another facet a widely known corrupt and unprofessional band.

      A venezuelan president who licks the boots of Fidel Castro-ain’t that special?Just like a dream!
      Lately I’ve thought of HC more like someone who’s “enjoying” – hopefully – his last few months (days, perhaps?) instead of licking anybody’s boots

      Repeat after me” Venzuelan people, fear not! Castro is with you!”
      I think you got it backwards CharlesC wherever-you’re-from. Castro is not with anyone in particular, arguably not even with his brother Raul. Fidel, if anything, is, and for the last 50+ years has been with and for himself. HC is yet another “monigote” in Fidel’s quest to stay in power for as long as possible

      • CharlesC Says:

        Megaesqualidus- I could not pass this up–”Lately I’ve thought of HC more like someone who’s “enjoying” – hopefully – his last few months (days, perhaps?) instead of licking anybody’s boots”

        I take the last few months differently- If I see Chavez publically embracing his daughter again and kissing the cross again I think I am going to puke.
        C’mon, man. Can someone call it what it is- PITYFUL.
        What is it called “keeping up appearances”?

        This novella drama and worse- the lies and pretending by everyone around Chavez -and yes-maybe Chavez “enjoys” this in some perverted way. These are staged pranks.
        And, Chavez cannot resist waking up every day and breakinganother law
        and replacing it with some old soviet bs. from the past, for example..
        Nothing makes Chavez happier-oops -I forgot -trashing someone else
        publically humiliating them calling them pigs for example.Yes,
        surely it is time to “kiss the cross” again and again….

      • CharlesC Says:

        Do you really love the cubans that much, so much you want to be just like them?
        Megaesqualiditudus replies-” Not really. Some of us actually pity the cuban people living in Cuba who’ve been driven poor for the last 50+ years”

        Hey, Senor-if that is the case-then why do so many Venezuelans support Chavez boot-licking Castro who is the cause of the suffering of the Cuban people? Why follow someone who says Castro is his mentor?

        How can you be for the cuban people and support Chavez and Castro?
        And how is following Chavez good for Venezuela since he is following Castro?
        Yes, I live in Florida and I see this as a “contradiction” that Venzuelans live with. But I cannot understand why-except that they are brainwashed or
        just plain -mesmerized by Chavez…

      • syd Says:

        Mega, you’re probably beginning to understand that CharlesC has absolutely no clue what it means to live in a militarized state with no rule of law, and what it means to deal with a once elected leader who never fulfilled his promises to improve, but rather began to destroythe fabric of society, to name one — by threats and force, including from paramilitary sectors.

        • CharlesC Says:

          Ok Syd- I saw Chavez coming from the beginning and did not buy his bs.I don’t want to “live with” deal with his ever increasing everchanging bs.(Just before Chavez tried his coup I had spent 2 years with the British Marines.)
          Then I ws back at University and I learned, I thought I learned that-
          we were advancing as humans and societies-a bit idealistic-that this type of leader could never come to power and people were not that stupid..I was wrong.
          Speaking of wrong- the society hs been so corrupted, went so wrong now.
          I worry about all of the good people in Venezuela because the thugs are everywhere now…
          You are right about these words”destroy the fabric of society”.

  28. A. Shaw Says:

    ” … They see a totally different attitude, people party all night and walk home without worries,” the Devil informs.

    oooo

    If “they” move from Caracas to Houston, NYC, Chicago, Boston, LA, or Detroit, they better worry as they walk home, for if the muggers don’t get them, bloodthirsty and anti-immigrant US police officers will.


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